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Rapture this weekend ?

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Trigger warning: Christian religion.

I'm interested in eschatology, which is the study of the end of the world, and a well spread belief among christians in the USA at least is that a rapture will happen, where believer in Jesus will be taken into the sky.

It supposedly will happen at the last trumpet. So a common belief is that this should happen during one of the "feasts of trumpets" the jews celebrate after summer. People on Youtube study the Bible closedly for confirmations, and typically each years it's announced that the rapture is likelly.

Last high probability years was 2022: il was the beginning of a new 7 year cycles in the jewish callendar. And it was so close to 2030 minus 7 years of "tribulations" which will be around the 2000th anniversary of Jesus resurection.

It didn't happen. (duh)

But 2023 is also a good candidate: it's one of the jewish jubilee years which happen every 50 years. And so, people on Youtube claim it would be an ideal time for the rapture.

Feast of trumpet would have happened 10 days ago normally. But on Jubilee years it is merged into the day of attonement (Yom Kippur), which will be on monday 25th september.

What to do if it happens ?

So it's next week and thousands or millions of people disappeared, what do ?

This will be the beginning of 7 years of trouble, tribulations. But it is still possible to still make it to heaven:
- Turning toward God will save you, that is accepting Jesus. You're likelly to have a bad time but if you die you'll make it to heaven, or il you make it through the 7 years will be alive to see Jesus coming back.
- Losing your life because of Jesus will save you. If you are for example given the choice to turn away from him or be beheaded, then the good choice is being beheaded. You'll be among the martyrs mentionned in Revelations 6:9.

But on the other hand, (if you don't turn to Jesus), or if you accept "the mark of the beast", it's all over.
The mark of the beast will be something on the hand, forehead or a "number" ; without it nobody will be able to buy or sell.
Hard to imagine for sheep herders 2000 years ago, but nowaday it's easy to think of it as microchip under the skin containing info on some bank account. Could be a new currency or crypto that the antichrist - who will be seen as a providential man/woman - will create.

Those who take the mark won't be saved, it will be too late for them, they'll end up in the lake of fire which is the second death.

Tl;dr:
If the rapture happen and you want in heaven:
- Accept Jesus.
- Get killed rather than turn away from him.
- Become homeless and hungry rather than taking the mark of the beast.

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Added:	7 months, 3 weeks ago 22 Sep 2023 13:28 CEST

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CrystalMendrilia

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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Uhh, I'm not too terribly worried about it, lol. xD

ThaPig

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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I just wanted to mention that "rapture" is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible and was not part of the Christian religion until relatively recent times, It's a concept invented by American denominations around the 19th century.

So you can tell people speaking of ancient prophesies that Coca-Cola is older than the Rapture.
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Issarlk

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ ThaPig

The word trinity isn't in the Bible either. I can assure you that christian going up into the sky is Biblical though:
Thessalonians 4:17:
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Mathew 24:30 could refer to it too:
"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

etc.

If there's no rapture, then an explanation of what christian going into the cloud to meet Jesus is needs to be given. Of course the "it's symbolic" card could be played, but it's getting pretty worn out.

ThaPig

7 months, 3 weeks ago

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@ Issarlk

Meeting Jesus in the clouds could be a poetic description of going to heaven, but some people have picked that particular line and embellished it with lots of extra details that are not in the scripture, like a number of people disappearing all over the world, cars being left without drivers, or piles of clothes remaining after people being teleported.

Issarlk

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ ThaPig

Since the Rapture didn't happen this september. I now think "meeting Jesus in the cloud" could have another meaning too, specificaly mushroom clouds.

ThaPig

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Issarlk

I'm not religious, so my opinion of all this is only academic. But from the biblical point of view, any prophecies of the end of the world are doomed to be false. Jesus himself is quoted to have said nobody, not even himself knows the date of the final judgment.

Matthew 24:36

"But about that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

So if Jesus said nobody knows when the world is going to end, any Christian predicting the date goes against his own religion's scripture.

Issarlk

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ ThaPig

But then does that mean the end of the world won't happen ? Everybody present this verse as an eternal truth. Then it can't happen ever, because people will know the date and hour when they start flying up and it would invalidate that verse.

Surelly it doesn't mean it won't happen then. So at some point people will know.

Then why not consider that verse as being a truth at the time it was spoken ? Then there could be a time when people will know.
Jesus himself will need to know in advance too at some point, even by only 5 minutes before it happens.

ThaPig

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Issarlk

Obviously, the world would end at some moment because nothing lasts forever, but that's not my point.
Christians believe the verse is true, so they should not be trying to predict the date of the end, because that would go against their own belief. The bible says nobody knows the date, I assume angels and other heavenly personnel will get a memo the day before.

But what I was trying to say is that the "last judgment" and the "rapture" are two different concepts.. The idea that Christ is going to return at some moment, judge humans, and that will end the world as we know it, is part of the Christian religion. That judgment is supposed to happen for everyone at the same time.

The so-called "rapture" is not the same thing. It's the idea that before the final judgment, there will be an event where a part of humanity will fly away to heaven and another part will remain on Earth for some time (a number of years according to some sources) waiting for their judgment. That is not part of the official Christian canon as it was taught for centuries by all denominations, that's a relatively recent addition. Let theologist split hairs over the details.

Issarlk

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ ThaPig

Well, I wouldn't bet on it being hidden till the last moment. "(the feast) Nobody know the date and hour" for example is the nickname of the feast of trumpets, because it depends on the visibility of a sliver of the moon which can't be known in advance.

So there was this possibility that this sentence was referring in obscure ways to a specific feast, and then people would know, just not which year.

I know about the difference between rapture and last judgement. The rapture is the wedding of Jesus to the church. Judgement day is at the very end of the millenium, after the last battle versus Satan.

ThaPig

7 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Issarlk

For all we know, it already happened and Satan won
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