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lavilovi

My Ruminations on Ai Art

Setting aside the stolen works it's trained on.
Setting aside the expensive energy costs it requires.
Setting aside the environmentally-damaging impacts it has.
Setting aside the corporate desire for "line go up always" that results in the loss of jobs.


I don't want to see it. I find AI Art boring. It's reductive, soulless, uninteresting.

Even if it had soul.
Even if it was interesting.
Even if it wasn't reductive, I still wouldn't want to see it.

I want to see art made by humans, whether it's beautiful or large or tiny or ugly. Bad, flawed art made by the human hand is infinitely more interesting than anything AI prompts could create.

It makes me sad to see people give up on their crooked lines, their splotched colors, their artistic foibles, for the supposed ease and perfection of AI Art. Losing personal and flawed creativity to shiny "progress."

AI's ideals feel so often built on the idea that to create, to draw, to make art is based on Talent, but Talent doesn't exist. Talent is a cloak tossed over Time and Experience, both of which cannot be properly replicated by AI. Both of which cannot be replaced by anything but itself.

It makes people stop trying, stop sharing, stop growing. Giving up the human act of creation and replacing it with the commodification of creativity, the world of instant and perpetual "content" to be consumed without thought or emotion.

And that makes me sad to see.


Could it be neat? Could it be cool? Sure! But in our capitalist society of number-go-up, in a world where people accuse artists of gatekeeping art (as if such a thing were true!), where.... I cannot find it possible.




I have no interest in seeing AI Art. Just like I had no interest in NFTs. Just like I have not interest in Crypto. And so on. And so on.
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Added: 2 months ago
 
Friar
2 months ago
Wish I could fav journals.
lavilovi
2 months ago
Gonna make me blush! uwu
GreenPika
2 months ago
Yeah I'm sick of fake corporate product. That's all AI "art" is. Like that junk food they are forced to label "cheese product" because it's not even real cheese. Just chemicals based on formulas based in greed.  
lavilovi
2 months ago
Aurghhhh I'm so tired of corporations and their forever-growth ideals. haha Surely the bottom is gonna drop at any point..... Surely??
GreenPika
2 months ago
The irony is, it's actually the opposite of growth. That's why they have to keep burning the candle at both ends. Unethical business practices are parasitic in nature. They ultimately only consume. When there's no new host to move on to, the parasite dies. So either humanity can choose to die when the parasite does or humanity can fight it and reclaim their minds. The bull shit will only end when people outright refuse to be treated like salves to blood sucking corporatism.  
lavilovi
2 months ago
Yeah... I don't think AI is going away at this point, it's firmly entrenched in our society now, but I DO think we can regulate it better, make it ethical. Well, we can if we stop having 80 year olds who don't know how to use a computer running the government........ alas....
GreenPika
2 months ago
I am, , , dubious on the extent to which we could ethically regulate the technology. Especially with so many counties exploiting the shit out of it. lol it IS interesting how after years of restrain, all of a sudden the old generation of billionaires has developed a death clutch on control.  
RhythmCHusky94
2 months ago
I agree Ai is no match with hand made art from real human artist but for someone like me that I mostly use ai genrated images as a reference base if and I found some good one that gave me inspiration.
lavilovi
2 months ago
I think it could be a cool and helpful tool (all it's other caveats aside, anyway), but the way it's being projected by corporations and start-ups as this cheap, easy, 100% effective cure-all for every thing... Maybe it'll be a nicer tool to utilize when the bottom drops out and people realize AI isn't what the Tech Bros are advertising it as?
RhythmCHusky94
2 months ago
Yeah I agree with you on that
Atrolux
2 months ago
You speak 100% facts. Bless.
lavilovi
2 months ago
You got me blushing uwu
Podslight
2 months ago
There are so many better uses for AI than image generation (i refuse to call it art). I can think of so many things i'd rather have done by AI.
lavilovi
2 months ago
I just hate how every potentially neat tech thing is utilized in the worst ways.... There's no long-term planning or foresight. ):
Podslight
2 months ago
AI could have been amazing, helping people do jobs that would otherwise be difficult/dangerous, but instead we get ugly soulless "art" :(
lavilovi
2 months ago
Exactly!! I hate that something that holds so much positive progress is... being used as a money-making scheme, as a gotcha. :/
Podslight
2 months ago
Maybe it'll still happen at some point. AI still has the potential to be used for good, the technology is still new after all. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
gnagger
2 months ago
I don't have anything against AI art in principle, depending on how it's trained. I just instantly recognize it, even in thumbnails, and I find it meh. I can't get into it.
lavilovi
2 months ago
It's certainly getting "better," or at least harder to spot on-sight... Though that's just cause they're funneling more stolen works into the training ):< Ugh. I'm just frustrated haha
ZwolfJareAlt306
2 months ago
" Setting aside the expensive energy costs it requires.

I get the rest of your position against AI art, but this gives me pause.
These systems use too much power for your liking?
Compared to what? An iron smelter? Charging electric cars?
I don't get that particular issue, I guess...
lavilovi
2 months ago
I mean, it takes a lot of power to generate a singular image. Obviously there's a lot of variability, but generating an image takes the same amount of energy as fully charging a smartphone, from what I've read. Which feels extreme to me, given I doubt anyone gets the perfect AI art the first time, and ends up generating multiple images, which quickly stacks up energy-wise.

I hesitate to directly compare it to electric cars (which serve a greater purpose of lowering greenhouse gas emissions, and their charging needs are spread across hundreds of miles). I don't know the best way to compare a singular mile of energy for an electric car versus a singular image generation.. I don't know the specifics for other big-use electrical items, though I wouldn't have the expertise to compare then anyway...

Either way, it's been reported by the International Energy Agency that AI generation will have the same energy demands as a Germany. And given that energy production (especially in the US) remains heavily fossil fuel-based... It might not amount to as much as the other complaints I have, but I still think it warrants pause.
PoorSal
2 months ago
Just me leaving a comment of approval since there is no option to favorite journals!!!
lavilovi
2 months ago
Gosh, making me blush over here! uwu
HiddenLurk3r
2 months ago
AI art isn't art, it's just art theft.
lavilovi
2 months ago
It's just so frustrating, especially when people use it as a "gotcha" :/
KNIFE
2 months ago
https://youtu.be/HBX2N3XPpNs?si=v55FZU5V5mx1Ytjp

THIS!!

THIS is both AI AND AI ART!

Funny how neither look like what we call them today. And sad.
lavilovi
2 months ago
It's just sad cause it could be such a good and useful tool.... But the Tech Bros are using it for money-making schemes and the general public is too willing to accept their pitches as truth :/
Vixel
2 months ago
Thought provoking journal, and I really love your paragraph on Talent. <3

I'm sad about ai for similar reasons. There's a risk that the soul and personality of handmade art is being standardized away. And the flood of images (even high quality images) seems like it makes it harder for people to care about art in general.

I have a different perspective on how it affects individual creativity. I've dabbled, and so far used ai as a tool to reach places I could only dream of reaching with my allowance of Art time and experience. I push my own crooked lines and artistic foibles through the machine to better understand what I like or don't like, and what subtleties could make it stronger. I hold its hand the whole way because it doesn't inherently know how to make what I want to see.

Similarly, I know artists who've previously burnt out on handmade art, who are now flourishing with ai and putting in the time and experience to create artistically grounded works. Ai has rekindled the creative spark for them.

When wielded as a tool and not a replacement for the creative process, I don't think it's all bad.

But I echo your wish to see "art made by humans, whether it's beautiful or large or tiny or ugly". It's a chance to experience the growth of an artist over time, to wonder about their struggles and motivations and inspirations in their art journey so far, to imagine what they might be thinking about as they put those crooked lines and artistic foibles to a page.
lavilovi
2 months ago
Oh gosh, thank you!!

And I'd agree with you... I think it could be an incredible, useful, and ethical tool (at least, with the other caveats aside - especially the environmental and training-on-stolen-art ones). It's just so frustrating how quickly Tech Bros will take potentially helpful, wonderful things and convert them into money-making schemes; and the number of people who are so eager to put it to spiteful use!

I certainly applaud the people like yourself putting it to use as a tool, though. I'm probably too bitter to, alas, but it is nice to know people are using it ethically (or at least as much as it can be used right now until we get regulations/etc in place to prevent corporations from acting in bad faith for profit!).
Kupok
2 months ago
Remember to protect your own work from being scraped.
lavilovi
2 months ago
Yes, yes, yes! Be the poison in the well hehehe
JerryLee
1 month, 3 weeks ago
My take is that there may come a time when AI is a tool for creatives to use, rather than a substitute for the creative process.  Something that you interact with that helps you produce exactly the image you had in mind.  Something that still requires the artist to have the creative imagination to envision something in detail, to compose a scene, but that takes away the need to cultivate a particular set of motor skills needed to push a brush across canvas or a pen across a tablet.

Right now AI isn't that.  It's stringing together a bunch of prompts and then yanking the lever like a trained chimpanzee until something close enough falls out.
lavilovi
1 month, 3 weeks ago
I think you're right. It could be such a good tool! I also don't think it's gonna go away.... Too many corporations have bought into it and they can't give it up for a loss LOL

I hope you're right that we can get to a better place with it... sigh.....
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