i'm not offended by seeing it, i couldn't really care less. not that i ever use this site anyway... but what offends me is that it's allowed at all. it's like being at a restaurant and some gross, loud bastard comes in and starts walking around eating food off people's plates, and though paying patrons complain, instead of telling the guy to leave, the restaurant manager is just like "Oh don't worry about him, he's a friend of the owner. he won't eat /all/ your food"
i'm not offended by seeing it, i couldn't really care less. not that i ever use this site anyway...
Not that I want this to happen, but if it offends you so much that it's even present, then maybe leave the website? This is one of the few websites that openly allows AI art as long as it follows some rules. There are other websites that just outright ban AI art. It's your choice where to host your art and if AI art is so gross to you, that's something that you have to decide on how to react.
Not that I want this to happen, but if it offends you so much that it's even present, then maybe lea
You do not get to say that to ECMajor! Who the fuck do you think you are?! You want an AI-friendly site? You can leave InkBunny and live on the AI trash dump that is DeviantArt.
You do not get to say that to ECMajor! Who the fuck do you think you are?! You want an AI-friendly s
. Getting butthurt for someone that can defend themselves if they want to. Listen, this is one of the only websites that's openly friendly to AI art. Don't like it? You got 2 options. Block the tags so you don't see it or leave. Also, really petty to call me out and block me immediately so I can't reply to you.
lol ArielCelestia ( https://inkbunny.net/ArielCelestia ) . Getting butthurt for someone that can d
There is a whole section in the Acceptable Content Policy, but basically there are two keywords that must be put on all AI stuff so you can blacklist it. But whether it's properly enforced, I can't tell you.
There is a whole section in the Acceptable Content Policy, but basically there are two keywords that
If I had a nickle for every poorly drawn Sonic scat diaper image I've come across on here, I'd be able to afford to start up my own AI art generator project.
If I had a nickle for every poorly drawn Sonic scat diaper image I've come across on here, I'd be ab
I can assume then that you have a problem with boxes of instant Jello mix as well? Before someone made an easy way for everyone to be able to make jello themselves, it used to require a long, involved process that was tricky to get right, and only chefs with a certain amount of skill could make it correctly. That was why for the longest time, jello was considered a desert only for the wealthy, since these chefs often charged a high price for their services.
I can assume then that you have a problem with boxes of instant Jello mix as well? Before someone ma
i get where you're coming from, but the issue isn't seeing it or not seeing it, blacklisting is easy... but allowing it and thus normalizing it is a big slap in the face to artists and art in general given that it's an existential threat to what we do that can only exist by feeding off our skill and stealing from us. any "art site" that claims to give a shit about the artists that make up their userbase shouldn't allow it based on that alone
i get where you're coming from, but the issue isn't seeing it or not seeing it, blacklisting is easy
I know quite a bunch of artists who think so. People are afraid the AI flood will devalue their art. I personally think for the most part the fear is exaggerated. AI art currently is still pretty crap and more importantly, hard to get right. I haven't heard of a case where anyone paid money for an AI commission. AI art simply doesn't have the value to pay money for it. Artist made art does!
(although some companies use AI as a service and charge money so ppl can use their "secret" models which they trained on other peoples data - I despise that - this is what should be disallowed by law - but I digress)
You can make reasonable AI art of mickey mouse or gadget hackwrench, because there's millions of examples of them out there to train models on, but you can not ask AI to make a picture of your own OC in a specific scenario - that's just not something these tools can do yet, nor for the forseeable future. If you wanted to do that you'd need hundreds of pictures of your character - drawn by real artists, and the AI still wouldn't get it right.
In the future this is going to blur. Adobe and others are integrating AI tools into their graphic suite. Going forward (and maybe already) you can use the magic wand on a yet blank piece of canvas and click "add background" - then make a correction by hand and click "fix background" -- or draw a rough sketch and click "draw lineart" - "draw full color shading". This blurs the line between human creation and AI art and it's gonna be increasingly different to tell apart whats the artists skill and whats "stolen" as you put it. This is a problem that will have to be solved, but its not the current problem I think.
I'm working in the field of AI, and by now the limitations of generative neural networks are pretty apparent: They can't create anything new. They will always produce something similar to what they have seen during training. They can "blend" between two concepts. If you trained a model on porn photos and on food photography, you can with some luck and patience generate a prompt that forces the model to blend the two and draw a girl roasted alive on a plate in a sexy pose. But the network does not know what its doing or if the generated art makes any visual sense, it only checks if it statistically fits the concepts in the prompt and the distribution of things it has seen. As such, 19 out of 20 such "innovative prompts" will produce garbage and if you get something useful is up to chance - and more importantly - not reproducible. This is a fundamental flaw in the way artificial neural networks work, it cannot be fixed by a change in architecture or training on more data.*
(*There's a trick - you can generate 1000s of images with your prompt trying to make "your" character or "your concept" - then manually sift them, throw away the 99% that are wrong, and then retrain the model on the "good ones" to make a specialist model for what you are trying to do - but this is beyond the scope of what most people are doing or capable of doing. You'd need a GPU cluster to begin with, and invest dozends of hours in manually sifting crappy AI art - almost noone wants to do that)
People still play with AI and they find prompts that create visually stunning pieces which they want to share. I like to see them, mostly to see where AI art is at, what it can do and what not - when it works well - and - and this is where IBs policy comes in - I want to see how they did it. The requirement to post model, prompt, seed and method makes sure of that. But none of these "AI posts" are even remotely comparable to the artists I'm watching here.
I know quite a bunch of artists who think so. People are afraid the AI flood will devalue their art.
A correction: You can do pretty much anything with AI very precisely if you provide a sketch. I made an example with permission here:
Could have gone further, but I wanted to stay as true as possible to the original. I think this is a pretty good example of what somebody with artistic skills can do with the tech quite easily.
A correction: You can do pretty much anything with AI very precisely if you provide a sketch. I made
That is why it is called "AI Assisted Art", Not AI Generated Art. You still have to do the groundwork, or complete something the AI gave you a basis for.
Most of the Bad Stuff is AI Generated, no sketch drawn by the artist, a half-baked prompt, and more often than not, theft of someone else's art.
This one? AI Assisted. You still had to do some work to get it.
That is why it is called "AI Assisted Art", Not AI Generated Art. You still have to do the groundwo
What I find more important is that - if you post AI art, you need to post all your prompts, the seed, and the model you used - so theres full transparency and in theory anyone can reproduce. Very few other sites have that level of transparency.
What I find more important is that - if you post AI art, you need to post all your prompts, the seed
In the case of AI Art, AI Generated art (Art "made" purely by AI without human intervention beyond clicking a button) only really works in the short term. There is always an unnatural feeling about it, such as parts of the face not really matching to the Head in ways you cannot quite put your finger to.
TL;DR: AI Generated art is peak Uncanny Valley, and the artist gets lazy... And should they lose internet, they are pretty much dead.
AI assisted art is where I feel it is the way to go. The AI gives the artist a Basis to work from, and the Artist creates something new from it. Prevents the Artist from getting Stagnant, while also not overly relying on AI.
Sides, the "AI Boom" is proving very short-lived. It is becoming easier to tell which is AI, and which is not... And it always leads to hilarity whenever some egotisical hollywood schmuck crows about hating AI based stuff, only to spend thousands of dollars on an AI Generated piece of crap that everyone with functional eyes can tell is AI Generated.
In the case of AI Art, AI Generated art (Art "made" purely by AI without human intervention beyond c
That's just the toupee fallacy in action. You only notice bad AI. If it's good, you won't know it. Here on IB a lot of it will be visibly AI, but I wouldn't bet that's going to be the case forever, or very long.
You can see this in effect with the modern "no CGI" trend. Maverick and Barbie are chock full of CGI and yet you can even find actor interviews about how it wasn't used.
That's just the toupee fallacy in action. You only notice bad AI. If it's good, you won't know it. H
One of those you posted in a Response to someone else (Which I also responded to) is the point of what I mean by AI Assisted Art. You still had to do some work, or ask the permission of the one who made the sketch, to get the resulting image.
Most of the stuff considered "Bad" is pure AI Generation... No Work is done by the "Creator" beyond typing a vague Prompt to get the end result. This can lead to AI Theft.
And the "Barbie And Maverick Movie" is a case of Gaslighting about "Not Doing any CGI". They say it is not CGI, when it clearly is CGI. I just say "Be Bloody honest, dangit".
One of those you posted in a Response to someone else (Which I also responded to) is the point of wh
While you aren't wrong, it isn't hard to look into the future where AI generated imagery does become "one click good" with minimal/no post processing by the human, then the good stuff you won't notice and only the bad stuff will stick out.
While you aren't wrong, it isn't hard to look into the future where AI generated imagery does becom
I thought it was neat at first, but it's gotten old really fast and is flooding art sites with soulless junk. Seeing art from my favorite artist in the popular section next to an ai generated image that blatantly used that artists style as a prompt breaks my heart. It's a shame to see things like this misused and abused to such an extent.
I thought it was neat at first, but it's gotten old really fast and is flooding art sites with soull
I think it's time to get over yourself, but that's just my two cents. Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy. I thought the fandom was full of inclusive people.
I think it's time to get over yourself, but that's just my two cents. Let people enjoy what they wan
To add to this, I give out several thousand dollars worth of commissions every year, because I like art and I do not have unlimited free time to work my full time job, take care of my house, explore and improve my programming and writing skills while also trying to perfect my drawing skills. I like to support artists again--because I like art, and art of this nature has been a part of virtually all of my adult life (20 something years now, yuck).
I produce AI art for myself and for my friends. I've yet to post any of it publicly because A) I don't think it's good enough yet and B) I know it's going to put people into a tizzy. Sure, I could give zero fucks about other people's feelings like you are doing with this post, but that's just my personal preference. If I got the generations to a point where I thought they were perfect, even then I'd probably post 0 - 5% of what I generated at most.
If this is fuck off worthy, then I can happily do as you request and fuck off, by blocking you and your content like I've done every other artist who rants like a spoiled toddler about this stuff without realizing that hey, you actually have to put effort into this stuff if you want to get anything good, and surprise, surprise, it's *not* just about you.
We have to share this world with each other, if you want to carve out spaces for yourself and bite off the fingers of anyone who comes near, that's on you and that is your right, but I also have the right to choose who I find to be worthy of my time an attention and as much as I enjoy your art, I am more than happy to walk if you want to be an ignorant douche about the whole affair.
To add to this, I give out several thousand dollars worth of commissions every year, because I like
Well that's a bit of a shallow perspective. You may still support artists yourself, but ever since the AI models were released to the public to train and use, it has often been used to the detriment of artists, whether intentionally or otherwise.
One of the key complaints of AI art is that the models were trained on peoples art without their consent. It's like its tracing from every artist simultaneously. (Tracing is bad)
There's the generic models that are trained on most/all art available at the time, and then there are LORAs, which are models/modules for AI generators made to specifically focus on and replicate particular features and styles, so people can use AI to imitate artists, and possibly even scam people by impersonating that artist and taking fake commissions.
A LOT of people making AI-generated content are very much of the mindset that they themselves are the new artists of the future, and actual artists are now obsolete, they don't care about the artists whose work and efforts were used to make these models and didn't get any smidgen of credit or compensation. A lot of people have even been selling super high resolution AI generated stuff on Patreon, in some cases making upwards of a years worth of income in a month. The original artists haven't seen even a cent of that.
Artists are also losing out on potential commissions because of AI. You may not be a contributor to this yourself, but a lot of people who get commissions for the primary purpose of getting pictures of their ideas rather than supporting artists can now use AI to accomplish the task for much cheaper or even for free. Considering how much people were able to make on patreon from AI content, a lot of people who want to pay for porn in general are also just paying for the AI stuff rather than putting their funds towards actual artists now, so the flow of money has shifted away from real artists in general.
With all this in mind, you may be able to better understand why some artists aren't too fond of AI being present and welcomed in the same websites they post their content and try to do business.
Well that's a bit of a shallow perspective. You may still support artists yourself, but ever since t
Keep in mind, that for better or worse, fewer artists lately are doing commissions very often. Many of them have turned to Patreon for the majority of their income. For a commissioner, it has been increasingly difficult to find someone willing to get those ideas into art. While I've never and will never commission an AI generator for a piece (there's a level of human intuition necessary to get complex ideas into art the way I see them in my head which an AI will never be able to match.) I still enjoy some of the results coming out of AI, particularly with hyper realistic fur which you don't often see from real artists, and everyone I know who does AI art does so for fun, not for profit.
Keep in mind, that for better or worse, fewer artists lately are doing commissions very often. Many
This is entirely true. I'll not be able to express my thoughts as well as you did, so I will just expand on it in my own way.
I've watched as several artists I loved in the past transitioned entirely away from doing commissions, to just doing YCH art at $500 a pop, which (in my opinion) gives me a far inferior product for way more money. What if I don't want my character crammed in with someone's neon colored dragon wolf baby zombie hybrid? When I see that, I feel like the artist is a sellout--and despite that, I don't raise my voice and yell at them for it--it's entirely their choice to do this, and I have learned to accept it.
That is why I find it so mind boggling that people are losing their minds over AI art. As you said, for better or for worse, it's likely here to stay and we need to learn how to live with it, regulate it, and work with it, otherwise those who refuse can sink or swim.
It's really that simple, whether we're talking about transitioning from horses to cars, oil to solar/wind, etc., it's all the same basic concept of human evolution when you get right down to it. Instead of demonizing one another, we should be learning how to work together to try to come to a compromise that suits as many people as possible. Nobody is going to be entirely happy with it, but that's just the way life is.
This is entirely true. I'll not be able to express my thoughts as well as you did, so I will just ex
What I'll agree with you on is that people are making the existence of AI art very personal against anyone who simply doesn't see it as an art apocalypse. All we have on the future of AI art v artists is unfounded speculation. That doesn't make you wrong for thinking it's a threat, and I can't disprove that, but neither does it make it okay to attack people who don't agree, because nobody knows the answer.
That said, for those claiming that AI art will make artists obsolete, they're morons. Unless we find a way to map the human brain to a T into a computer, that'll never happen. Also as a writer, if I were writing for profit, I wouldn't feel the least bit threatened by AI generated stories. Even though story telling would be easier to map into an algorithm than visual art, have you ever read any of that shit? Sloppy.
What I'll go ahead and disagree with you on though is YCHs. I mean it's one thing if an artist is ONLY doing YCHs, but YCHs are a nice middle-ground from paywalling, where an artist can draw up an idea they create themselves, and though it doesn't show what character you'll be paired up with, otherwise it's the most informative means of selling art I can think of, by which I mean for the most part, you see exactly what you're buying, whereas with a paywall, you can't see what you're paying for. That people are willing to pay $500 in YCH auctions makes it potentially a way for an artist to make a living without anyone missing out on the finished product.
What I'll agree with you on is that people are making the existence of AI art very personal against
What I'll agree with you on is that people are making the existence of AI art very personal against anyone who simply doesn't see it as an art apocalypse. All we have on the future of AI art v artists is unfounded speculation. That doesn't make you wrong for thinking it's a threat, and I can't disprove that, but neither does it make it okay to attack people who don't agree, because nobody knows the answer.
So much this. I don't have anything to add to this, because I agree with it in its entirety.
That said, for those claiming that AI art will make artists obsolete, they're morons. Unless we find a way to map the human brain to a T into a computer, that'll never happen. Also as a writer, if I were writing for profit, I wouldn't feel the least bit threatened by AI generated stories. Even though story telling would be easier to map into an algorithm than visual art, have you ever read any of that shit? Sloppy.
I've definitely experimented with AI for the purpose of writing, either as an assisted medium or as a means to just experiment or "RP with yourself and a computer". It can be fun, but oh boy, you are 100% correct. I'd take a novel written by an author I don't even care for his/her style over reading something novel length generated by any AI. That said, I am sure that technology will improve in the decades to come, I still don't see it replacing any human anytime soon.
What I'll go ahead and disagree with you on though is YCHs. I mean it's one thing if an artist is ONLY doing YCHs, but YCHs are a nice middle-ground from paywalling, where an artist can draw up an idea they create themselves, and though it doesn't show what character you'll be paired up with, otherwise it's the most informative means of selling art I can think of, by which I mean for the most part, you see exactly what you're buying, whereas with a paywall, you can't see what you're paying for. That people are willing to pay $500 in YCH auctions makes it potentially a way for an artist to make a living without anyone missing out on the finished product.
Oh, hands down, the general concept of a YCH does have merit, and as you say, compared to the paywall concept, I cannot argue with you on that one at all. I guess, and this is probably just a flaw in my own personal way of thinking (we are all human), I have seen several artists I really loved, who would produce personal art, commissions, etc., very much on the regular, transition entirely to just doing one YCH every few months if you're lucky, and boy, does that get stale fast.
As for the paywall thing, I mostly vehemently refuse to support that model for the reasons you described above. That said, I do have some exceptions to that rule, mostly for really close friends who happen to be artists, but also, for artists who I really cannot help but to adore regardless of what approach they take for sharing their art.
That said, I have ended up unsubscribing to a number of them over the years too because I feel like several tend to just take that stream of income for granted--you see the quality/quantity drop and eventually taper off to zero in some cases. It's really quite sad. If you don't enjoy it anymore, perhaps it's time to hang up the tablet and go get a "normal job", or find another means of funding your lifestyle. When it gets that bad, you're not doing anyone (including yourself) any favors by pretending to keep the charade going.
What I'll agree with you on is that people are making the existence of AI art very personal against
Comparing tracing to using a complex data model to "teach" it specific patterns so that it can sort of replicate something resembling human design, just shows an insane fundamental misunderstanding as to what AI of this scale even is, but that's an entirely different discussion.
I can entirely understand why artists are not fond of AI, just like I can understand why truckers are mad at the concept of self driving cars, or why in 10 years or so, I will be frustrated with AI coming for my job. What I cannot understand is why someone would take their frustrations out on literally everyone, boxing them into a single bubble because they dare to even slightly use the technology they hate so much.
I won't lose any sleep over shouting down people who use AI for nefarious purposes or to make a quick buck at other peoples' expense, but to point your finger and to throw people *like me*, and others, into the same box for daring to experiment with new technology, as someone who works in the field of technology, is an entirely different matter.
Comparing tracing to using a complex data model to "teach" it specific patterns so that it can sort
AI made my dreams of drawing better seem pointless, yet I didn't try to establish myself in AI art, besides any AI pic can't hold my attention for more that a couple of seconds.
AI made my dreams of drawing better seem pointless, yet I didn't try to establish myself in AI art,
I enjoy AI art when it has hyper detailed fur which you don't often see from real artists, and could potentially be a great tool in that regard rather than an artist painstakingly doing it by hand, but it doesn't really replace commissions and never will, because there's a level of human intuition necessary to take a description of a scene and read between the lines on what someone wants to see. But that's exactly why it takes effort to get an AI piece to turn out the way you want it. There's no intuition, only algorithms. This will never change.
I enjoy AI art when it has hyper detailed fur which you don't often see from real artists, and could
And I block-by-artist when they tend to upload either "too much" or "not good quality." I don't need to look at a submission where they upload 30 variants of the same prompt; pick one or two, god.
And I block-by-artist when they tend to upload either "too much" or "not good quality." I don't need
I will never stop appreciating (and paying for) artwork from real humans.
But I am fascinated by the technology and want to see where it goes (though I'm mostly interested in the spaces between what's currently available: living worlds, AI run settings, etc). I can certainly appreciate the things people manage to get AI to do and am cognizant of how much work tends to go into making things look good (I have a friend who spends anywhere from six hours to six days on some of his AI pieces, painstakingly stitching pieces together, in-painting, and so on).
I can still empathize with the dislike for it, but there's some nuance that needs to be made clear that often gets overlooked. AI generated content is just another tool and we should point fingers at the users of those tools, not the tools themselves.
I will never stop appreciating (and paying for) artwork from real humans. But I am fascinated by th
Those X's are spots where real art could be showcased. AI generated or assisted images take up space. Tolerating it is detrimental to artists whose work should be celebrated. Even if AI pics didn't directly steal from the work of artists, its existence and acceptance takes eyes away from where they should be.
Those X's are spots where real art could be showcased. AI generated or assisted images take up space
“also if you're into ai generated "art" you can fuck off” I fully support this. <3 I think more people need to stand up and say it.
I love peoples argument of "but you can do anything with AI" .. yes, you can fuck up 10,000's of people income, create job losses and make people go on strike and even riot against it. For all the uses AI has, creativity is the most damaging one! "but it can replace jobs" ... why would we want to replace creative jobs people want and enjoy doing? All it does is fuck creators no matter what type, lower quality so viewers then suffer and makes the one prick that uses it, a little extra money. What the fuck is wrong with people to support AI? It’s also impossible for creators to opt out of having their content literally stolen for AI use.
Oh and as to “AI can draw anything”, no it bloody can’t. If you can’t see the difference between a regurgitated pose and true artistic expression you have issues. By design AI can’t be creative, just different enough to be passable by idiots. Learn how it fucking works!
But both sides of the story deserve respect however, AI can help you learn some things. You should be asking “how can I do this”, “how do people go about doing this?” not “do this for me”. The difference is huge. For that AI art, AI music and AI writers should be illegal. While other services should be adjusted for educational guidance instead of doing all of something for someone.
AI could personally save me many €$1000’s for some of the projects I’ve been planning. But I would rather spend that on supporting real creators, that can express themselves and bring life to a project by music, art, story or some other way.
So thankyou unicorn for speaking out.
“also if you're into ai generated "art" you can fuck off” I fully support this. <3 I think more peop
Sure is getting troublesome when people don't tag their shit properly! Though I am happy to say I will only give my deliciously depraved and dark business to real artists, since I really love supporting them.
Sure is getting troublesome when people don't tag their shit properly! Though I am happy to say I wi
