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Skoon

A journal about political introspection

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Preface: This is a mental outpouring of an answer I sought about my own past and I believe I have found. Not a comedic nor sexy journal, so only read on if the human condition interests you as it does me.

As I am currently, I've been far more openly leftist than ever before. Unashamedly in the sense that I not only came out with being transgender after years of closeting, but now also harbor the nerve to defend that identity. Likewise, my goal is to eventually be in a place where I no longer have to admit to being trans, and can comfortably just say woman.

Sadly with things the way they are right now that still not entirely viable, socially, for a myriad of nuanced reasons.

I'm also a general socialist in my economic beliefs, entirely sex-positive, not at all religious, anti car-culture, and very ecologically conscious. NONE of that is new. These have been elements of Skoon since I was a teenager. So much so that I was ostracized often in the right-wing, rural, Christian environment I was raised in. Occasionally to moderate violence.

Despite all of this, to the day on occasion an internet denizen who has known of me throughout the 2010's will still mistake me for having been or possibly still being right-wing.

That baffled/baffles me. I needed to answer the call of my own curiosity and do some digging into my own past and really figure out why so many people thought so.

I immediately listed obvious tells. Things I know off-hand, things I have openly spoken about over the years and have made no secret of my opinion changing.

I used to be entirely pro-gun. As I learned more about what gun control actually meant and as violence continued to sky rocket I shifted away from that.

I did the same thing millions of other burned Bernie Sanders supporters did in 2016, and revenge voted for Trump. Believe me, I've written entire stories on what a severe regret that turned out to be (and no, I never liked him even then, none of us did, but common orange-man context in 2016 was cautiously negative rather than "oh he is actually, unironically Hitler"). If that concerns you about me in any way, btw, pls feel free to ask how I feel about the Christo-fascist piece of shit currently and how much time it took for me to utterly despise him after he won that election (spoiler: less than a month).

Those things couldn't be it though. They don't exist in a vacuum, and I have been highly transparent on my regret and reasoning against both since. I needed to go deeper and really remember. I think I found it, and it opened up an interesting look into the evolution of my own coping with my own past, and how you can't win allies with bullying.

It was the era of pop-feminism. 2014-2016 in particular. Or as I like to refer to it, Buzzfeed-feminism.

It's important that I stress how genuine feminist ideals, TERF feminism, and pop-feminism, are three distinctly different schools of thought. TERFs are fascists, for example. The first category are the real-deal, and I have no beef with them at all (generally I find myself aligned with the real thing). Pop-feminism was a farcical parody of feminism that only served to ultimately do a lot more harm than good.

Pop feminism was built far more on keyboard activism, misandry, bullying, PROFITEERING, rage-baiting, and, frankly, middle to upper class white women almost exclusively, than it was any actual progress.

TERFs grew during this time, and that's no coincidence.

Here's the issue- it not only did nearly irreparable damage to both feminism and general progressivism, it also did a ton of damage to the actual internet by way of assisting on the now entrenched corporate takeover of all public spaces.

Likewise, at the time, a ton of us were not well educated on any of this. Total mental blindness. Bear in mind how obvious this may all seem looking back, or if you are young enough you may not even be able to conceive of a world where true feminism wasn't well known, but hindsight is 20/20. A lot of us weren't anywhere near as filled-in as we are now, and I was no exception.

What did I want to do back then? Draw. That was it, really. I was also still unmedicated and had not yet begun seeing a therapist, etc.

Let me bring this back to the original point- how this changed people's perception of me to something I wasn't. Through, admittedly, my own public behavior.

My only encounters with pop-feminism, which in that time and moment was only being sold as straight up genuine feminism, was via bullying. Because I was still male-identifying (unhappily) and my largest fanbase was anchored on Tumblr AND this was the time when Tumblr began to rot, socially- I became the target of some of the most ridiculous and radical bullying.

When I say bullying I don't mean just a few nasty comments here and there, it was a daily onslaught. See, I always drew porn. I also, as I do now, draw subjects which make people uncomfortable. Even more openly back then.

I had also come from a deeply abusive home life. My childhood was horrible and I had essentially only ever been taught to devalue myself through abusive thought patterns and self-destructive behavior. Again, I had not yet seen to any of that baggage back then.

So to suddenly have a barrage of accusations of privilege and inherent villainy based on my genitals (when also struggling with my gender identity), I grew quickly to openly and loudly LOATHE "feminism". Which I of course now understand to have just been a mere shadow of the real thing, full of awful people.

Regardless, I became defensive out of pain and fear and lashed out harder and harder. I had no positive example of this movement in my life at the time, and with the trauma I was personally carrying there certainly wasn't anybody trying hard enough to change my mind. I was a perfect example of how you not only don't win allies with bullying, you can turn allies into enemies.

I realize now, looking back, that's why. Must be.

That time, those unhinged people who caused me to also act unhinged.

That's why some people still think I am right wing or ever was to begin with.

It all seems an entire lifetime ago to me today. Especially with all the knowledge and growth I have gathered and gone through since.

I must say I am grateful that I was able to come back from that. I know there must have been so many who were forever radicalized rightward by the same sort of experience, then. Fortunately, I was, in truth, always on the left. So I had a buffer zone out of that.

I maintain to this day that Buzzfeed owes Feminism reparations.
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TheDeinonychus
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Just do us all a favor and don't start making your art political. You've no idea how annoying it is to keep unfollowing artists I like because they suddenly start using their art to talk down to people because they might not share some extreme political position.
Smolfoks
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I don't think that's what they were implying with this journal at all >.>
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
You are correct, that was nowhere near the point of it.
Tigerfestivals
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I think they're just worried that, since a lot of artists online are both a bit unstable and often suddenly goon big rants and either delete their whole account or go deep into politics, that might have been what you were doing.


Given your opening paragraph, and having actually read your whole journal, that doesn't seem at all like what you're doing.
Your experience is interesting, and kind of a testament to how toxicity online and buzzfeed (as well as culture war grifting in general) is just not healthy for anyone.

"What did I want to do back then? Draw. That was it, really. I was also still unmedicated and had not yet begun seeing a therapist, etc."

If this is at all possbile,do it, and if this is what you're doing now, good. I don't think its good to get wrapped up with in all the negativity online, and people who don't actually care about these issues and just want to grift.
But, I don't know you personally so I don't know all your circumstacnes beyond this journaly really and that you draw stuff I like. So,hope life treats you well going forward in any case.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Creation is still my number one priority, followed by sharing that creation with people who may/do appreciate it. To that end, I pursue this with most of my energy. :)

I think the rest of me just likes to masturbate all the time.

Anything political out of me is genuinely just survival, these days. Mental health, ecological issues, trans rights, etc. Elsewise I either rot in prison in some dystopia or are doomed to some form of manual labor slavery under rule of billionaire-made class and caste society.

I'm unable to do outside work because of disability. Due to complex familial issues I have money hurdles currently impossible to leap in the system as it is. It's pretty much forced my hand to be where I'm at on it all.

Survival aside, I really just want to make happy in a variety of ways. Survival is a necessary evil.

It's 2 am here I am a bit rambly. haha
Tigerfestivals
4 weeks ago
Hey, its no problem if you ramble lol, i get like that when its late too. I've got my own medical issues ( that I probably should get around to more seriously adressing) that I dont want to equate with yours but I can sort of relate to the whole "just wanting to survive" above all else thing.
Your situation and resulting political view (down to the identity thing) actually remind me a lot of a friend of mine.  
Amaterasu
4 weeks, 1 day ago
art is almost always political by nature this is a bad take.
Shigoto
4 weeks, 1 day ago
That makes me wonder what sort of hidden political messages my own art exhibits... hmm
Smolfoks
4 weeks, 1 day ago
my political takes of fox boys getting tied up
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I mean it's a good take.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
That is a very strange and somewhat concerning reaction.

For one thing, I open the journal stating how I have been and felt for the vast majority of my life. Have you seen me make that the central focus of my work or personality, ever?

For another thing- you having this reaction based on a single moment of genuine thoughts from a creator is highly suspect.

One one hand it is suspect in the sense that it shows you have a desire somewhere inside you to keep content and its creator entirely divorced. Which is fine with most media, but this is a much more small-scale and independent field based on a far more intimate fandom/sub-culture. It's not as expected that work and creator will remain separated in the same ways as with large media.

On the other hand I can't help but to feel as though you are only having such a reaction because you fundamentally disagree and/or are uncomfortable with who I am and what I believe, and would personally prefer I remain silent about it. That if I were speaking more to your own opinions I may not have received such a request.

On a third hand, it is my work and I can and will do whatever I want with it. It is upsetting when somebody you enjoy pivots into subject matter you don't enjoy. But that's life.

Addendum: Total lack of relevancy.
TheDeinonychus
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Not saying you do, or accusing you of anything. I'm just asking that you don't bring politics into your art. I don't believe that 'everything is political' like some people do. I come here to look at art, specifically naughty art, not to see political slogans and symbols. I get enough of that in real life. For a lot of people, art like this is an escape from our mundane lives, no matter how brief it might be.

If an artist wants to make their art political, that is their right. But it's also the right of their audience to say that they don't want to see that, and they can choose not to view the artist's work. I wouldn't want right-wing propaganda in my porn any more or less than I wouldn't want left-wing propaganda. I just want to enjoy the same porny art I always have without a constant reminder of the politics I get bombarded with from the rest of modern day media.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Okay but what does that actually have to do with my journal?

What you are failing to do is justify the relevancy.
TheDeinonychus
4 weeks, 1 day ago
It's more me asking an artist that I've enjoyed for several years not to go down the same path I've seen an unfortunate amount of other artists go down before. I don't know if you will or not, and I hope that I am indeed wrong in my worry, but I've seen too many artists I've really enjoyed for a long time make similar posts, and suddenly take a position of 'if you don't agree with my politics you are a horrible person and don't deserve to look at my art'.

Again, I'm not saying I think you will suddenly start doing that, but rather just expressing that I worry you might because I've seen it happen before.

It also makes me worry that you seem to think asking for no politics means someone is saying 'just not your politics'. That makes it seem too much like you're taking a position of 'if you're not with us then you're against us' without considering that someone might not want to take either side.

And as for art being 'intimate and personal', that is true to some extent. Art by it's very nature carries some of the artist's expression and personality behind it. But how much and what aspects it incorporates is at the choice of the artist involved. Some choose to make their art entirely revolve around their political identities, and those artists often find that the only people drawn to their art are those that share their political beliefs, creating an echo-chamber. And others choose to let their politics be separate, and instead express other parts of their characters with their art, giving their audience the chance to relate to their art in other ways without dividing them down political lines.

Some artists who still want to express their politics with art, but not alienate parts of their audience might even keep their political art to a different account, for example, letting their audience choose which they wish to enjoy without expecting the two audiences to have to overlap.

As for your journal being about your history and personal feelings, I've got no problem with that. I just noticed a similar pattern I've seen from other artists before they start calling portions of their audience horrible people for not believing the same things they do, and hope that you'll avoid going down the same route. I've had to try to divorce myself from my feelings and beliefs for a good portion of my life as well. It's too long of a story to go into here, but if you want I could tell you in DMs.

I suppose my point is, I just hope to see the same art from you that I always have, and not see your political views become the main focus of your work like I have with other artists. I've seen too many artists decide to divide their audience over politics instead of bringing them together with a mutual love of silly porn.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
If you want to talk about noticing patterns and trends, I don't like the textbook manipulation I am seeing in your comments.

I was raised by emotionally and mentally manipulative narcissists, and via years of therapy have come to recognize signals of when somebody is trying to or may be trying to control me. Or gaslight. You've started a leaf burning pile over something that was a total non-issue, and that's been called into question. You've just doubled down without clarifying or understanding, while sprinkling pleasantries and compliments along the way to try and throw me off of the scent of whatever strange game of power dynamics you are trying to play.

It ain't gonna work, bruv. I'm nothing if not paranoid enough to sniff it out.

These little thoughts in your head are on a subject that hadn't even crossed my mind and had/has nothing to do with the journal. This conversation had no reason to even occur. Literally nothing has been accomplished by this other than me getting frustrated with you.

What are you trying to gain? Or did you seriously think so little of me based on your time following my work, that by this journal alone you thought a flood of overtly political billboard imagery was about to come?

To be frank, no matter which answer it is, you are not looking good in my eyes for it. It's either you are trolling me as a power play, or it's just classic disrespect. Which one?

You have two options. Straight up, one gets you blocked, because this is my page and I do not have to put up with it.

Option A- Just stop doing whatever it is you are doing and walk away.

Option B- Say some more bullshit and get blocked.

Your choice, amigo.
TheDeinonychus
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Looks like you're proving my concerns right, unfortunately. If I'm not with you, I must be against you. Giving me only two options, both of which mean either I comply with an echo chamber, or you force me out of your echo chamber. This is why basing your entire life around an identity is ultimately self-destructive. Have fun dividing your audience and only listening to the people with the 'right' opinions.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah, you're not listening to me whatsoever. Go gaslight somebody else.

+ban on my very, very short block list.
Amaterasu
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Hey. Atleast that person showed their red flags immediately.

I wonder how many people don't realize that taking a "No politics" stance is itself a political stance. And truly believe that the world's issues will just go away if they close their eyes and ears and how many just use it as an excuse to tell people with dissenting views to censor themselves.

In my opinion someone who asked me to "not be political" doesn't get to like my art anyways. Why would I want someone who might be against my very existence to tell me what I can and can't post or they'll get mad at me in my circle.

I believe that person just didn't agree with your identity and belief but liked your art so wanted you to remain silent so they could forget you exist as a person that creates said art. Oh well good luck and good riddance to that person.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
"I believe that person just didn't agree with your identity and belief but liked your art so wanted you to remain silent so they could forget you exist as a person that creates said art."

I am inclined to agree based on how hard they evaded the conversation once called out. Immediately they banked on me being much less perceptive, and their own perceived ability to shift focus.

They and I have had long conversations in the past about other things, and truthfully we haven't always disagreed. However, I have given them warnings about their condescending behavior before. Clearly they never had any respect for me at all and I have lost nothing of value.

Frankly, they give off Reddit-fedora energy super hardcore.
Playfulpetfox
4 weeks ago
Holy jesus fucking christ, this is one of the hilariously terrible counters I've seen to a response like theirs. You...are almost satirically exemplifying just how awful people who spend so much time focusing on politics in general tend to be. Oh, I don't like what they're saying? Must be manipulating! Oh, I REALLY don't like what they say and can't come up with a good response that doesn't involve emotional...what's that word you used...oh, right! Manipulation! BLooooOOOcked!

To genuinely anyone with a neutral mind set that had the misfortune of looking at this interaction, they are immediately going to form some polarizing views about you, and rightfully so. Clearly, some in favor, given that you have a community already inclined to agree with you...which is also kind of delightfully ironic. But my GOD man, how do you go and make a political post like this, touching on subjects like THAT, and then do T H I S. There is such a severe lack of self awareness here that I can only hope that this is satire, but I doubt you'd throw such a tantrum as some kind of really funny example.

"Frankly, they give off Reddit-fedora energy super hardcore."

Fucking lmao, holy shit. How do you say that but also use this as a genuine counter:

"Option A- Just stop doing whatever it is you are doing and walk away.

Option B- Say some more bullshit and get blocked."


Okay, discord mod. Just ban your way into an echo chamber. It's so weird to show just how little you've grown as a person on a post about how much you've grown as a person, at least politically.

I was a perfect example of how you not only don't win allies with bullying, you can turn allies into enemies.

My guy, you still are. A prime example of that and, basically, everything not to be when it comes to handling someone who disagrees with you. You went from reasonably mentioning how it was a pretty out of left field comment to just being an absolute loon who couldn't dare to listen to another side. You are exactly where you started. You haven't grown as a person. Hell, you may have regressed. Don't like an opinion? Don't like a take? Block them while you can. Form that delightful little echo chamber. The worst part is that you'll never learn like this, because of COURSE most people here will default to your side. They like your content. You've already established a positive bias with your fanbase, yet somehow, despite being so "interested in the human condition", aren't going to be able to rationalize that it makes them more inclined to side with you. Genuine or not.

You'll just keep sitting there, eagerly eating up every ounce of positive attention you receive while recoiling at the single remark that could dare threaten your perfect ratio of positive comments.

+block, lmao
Amaterasu
4 weeks ago
Skoon
4 weeks ago
I really got under somebody's skin, there. It's kind of amazing how some people just refuse to comprehend anything beyond their personal biases.

Addendum: Notice the blatant mis-gendering in their response to me as well. Gotta love it.
LuckyRuby
4 weeks ago
Why should someone have to entertain some rando who goes onto a very personal blogpost just to say, "that's whatever, just don't start making your art in a way I don't like"? You people bitch about echo chambers without stopping to think whether or not anything you say is relevant, then act like it's some win when you get blocked. Like, yeah I hit a button to get a weird guy to shut up, I lost soooo hard.
Hendak
4 weeks, 1 day ago
"If an artist wants to make art that doesn't align comfortably with my worldview that is their right but I will immediately and loudly complain that having to consider perspectives other than my own threatens my fragile sense of complacency and that everyone should therefore be silent."

You really shouldn't be on such an adult website, because it seems to me that you want to remain an infant.
TheDeinonychus
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Please don't resort to making childish attacks on someone and mischaracterizing someone's statements. I'd like to keep things civil if at all possible.
Hendak
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Spare me the concern trolling.
Mircea
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I'm not saying some artists don't do that with their work. But why is it so normal to take everything personally and as a threat? I see people losing their minds over a silly drawing, from what fictional underage characters do to political stuff that's too unacceptable to exist. We have artists on Inkbunny getting arrested in allegedly civilized countries like France for making art, yes that was actually a thing with someone here last year: Why the hell do we care so much?! There's things I'd definitely hate seeing myself, sure.... but I've made it a rule not to take it personally as much as possible whatever it is, because I'll never partake in this madness.
LuckyRuby
4 weeks ago
you post AI garbage you don't get a say in what artists get to say with their own art lmao
Mircea
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Obviously what works for me doesn't work for everyone, especially as I'm an oddball in many senses. But in my case I can say I'm no longer either a leftist nor rightist... or oppositely that I'm a bit of both on different things, namely the freedoms of each but not the authoritarianism: I'm very much left on LGBTQ+ rights and opposing anti-sex hysteria including the "threats to children" crap, albeit I'm not happy with some things the mainstream LGBT community does just as I'm sick of mainstream everything really... likewise I'm pretty "far right" on things like COVID and opposing any kind of stupid mandates, heck I believe in the population arming itself in case the state comes for their rights (trans people included). Economically I'm neither communist nor capitalist, both systems are failures and lead to dictatorship just that one is "state dictatorship" the other is "corporate dictatorship" which is practically the same thing.

I believe in people minding their own business and leaving others alone to do the same, beyond that see what works best and go for that system; Long as you aren't killing, raping, stealing, whatever you can do what you want and no one should judge you! No one should have to feel ashamed to say they're trans or a gender different from the body they were born with, just as on the opposite side no one should feel threatened or hated for being a Christian or even Muslim much as I can't stand the later myself. Why do we have class enemies, some people having to be more "citizens with rights" than others, and every few years a random group needs to have their rights played on the roulette of life? Fuck all sides, authoritarians of all colors, and all those super involved people presenting themselves as saviors who think they know what's best for others and get to tell the whole planet what to do because someone baptized them as "experts" in something.

I hope things go well for you. We haven't spoken that much but from how I know you, you're a nice person: Whatever you believe hang on to that... don't let the world drag you into its artificial manufactured wars, created so you can hate the person next to you rather than the idiots in power (beyond all parties). Eventually they'll tire out from fighting each other... problem is they will have burnt the whole world down first, only once everything's in ashes they'll get bored of their hate till decades later they get to do it all over again.
Amaterasu
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I've been creeping further and further left every single year and. I always considered myself as a progressive but looking back at the things i believed 10 years ago (and when I was markedly less jaded towards how things are) I probably sat more center right which is wild to think about now.

I was also running head first down the road of misandry and not so much disliking trans people but you know how media treats trans women especially, basically as just men in dresses and the joke is always "oops you slept with a MAN hahaha how embarrassing and GAY!!1"

heck even 5 years ago its wild to think about what i would have said. i wanted Yang as president, said capitalism was good and even thought musk was smart. all of that aged like milk.

I wish you the best in your transition, i know it is extremely difficult for a lot of people (basically my entire friend group is trans women now so i hear about their struggles a lot) especially if you cant even do a social transition, but never give up and know that ill be fighting right along side you.
Mircea
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Funny how it's been kind of the opposite for me... not as in drifting from the left to the right, rather drifting away from the left while also not going right. My problem with the left is it's become too authoritarian and thinks having a good cause gives them a free pass to treat others like trash because being a victim makes them entitled: I don't take dictators of any color bossing me around. Stopping hate or something-ism wasn't an excuse to attack free speech and support censorship... then the COVID "pandemic" came and the left went full dictators, they pushed us in the arms of "far right" conservatives to get out right to live back or not get injected with toxic substances... now they want digital ID's and wallets and chips under your skin because hey it's progress, which totally isn't going to be misused by everyone ever. I consider myself libertarian now since I believe in leaving people alone instead of treating them as slaves, other labels and factions seem to come and go these days so I no longer see myself represented by them much.
Amaterasu
4 weeks, 1 day ago
It is very difficult to engage with this post because I don't think anything you believe in especially with covid or "the left wants authoritarianism" are beliefs you can hold without having a not only a complete lack of understanding on anything but also a willingness to stay uninformed.

so yeah. i really have nothing nice to say which i know doesnt help because yelling at you about how asinine your beliefs are isnt gonna make you understand any better (its actually more likely to push you further into those beliefs) so i would probably go read studies from professional doctors and become better educated about the things you say
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
This is fascinating to learn! (also I am so Snes RPG pilled that to me, Yang is a Chinese styled warrior monk from Fabul lol)

I think it's interesting how we both grew out of bad headspaces that would have made us potentially hate eachother for no reason at the time. Also grateful for it!
Amaterasu
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah, I'm very grateful to have escaped the TERF timeline because some of my best friends in the whole world are Trans girlies and I want the world for them.

Being on team JKR would have made me a miserable person for sure. I hope one day we can live in a world where Trans people can just exist (and also one where people can actually afford food and housing)
celestialjade
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Hmm... Social moderate, fiscal conservative here.

I think the biggest issue we have in many countries right now is that we can no longer have conversations with people who differ politically. Disagreements are almost all arguments now, not discussions. People are more likely to double down and entrench on an ideology or topic instead of looking at 2nd or 3rd order or effects. For social problems, people are more apt to choose a bandage option over a root cause analysis/fix.

Something that I have also noticed about 5+ years ago that everything is left/right wing. Political ideology is a spectrum, not a bucket.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
At least speaking in relevance to the US, being trapped in the binary political system with the added flavor of total class based cut-off and stubborness at the cost of others ability to even live at all based on mere labels- has pretty much exclusively caused the problem. It will continue to lead toward deeper and deeper division as can now be seen with the total death of the Republican party and rise of what is with no hyperbole, genuine American Nazism (look into project 2025, it is disturbing).

I think the vast majority of us, especially those of us old enough to remember the days before the 2010's, long for something more than just "pick between weak, ineffective rich people, or pure evil religious rich people, pls". Neither will be serving your interests. Thank you for voting, have a sticker like a good little girl/boy. *pat pat*

That's regardless of side-weighting, I believe.

It's just a total nightmare scenario all around. One in which you simply cannot breathe.

Mircea
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Wish Inkbunny had a comment like button, that is so well said. I don't pretend to be fully exempt, some things bring back pains and make me react more extremely on my own side... but at least I try and don't fuel or normalize it, nor treat everyone who disagrees with me as a slave who must obey or else. The majority is losing this capacity: The norm now is "either you're on my side with this list of things or you're an evil maniac that will doom us all so we must ruin your life for the greater good". Not sure how the world will get out of this one, don't see much of a way at this stage; Cheering for climate change or nuclear apocalypse... a world without biological anthros / furries was boring anyway, now that it can't even be minimally bearable yeah no send in the next meteor dear universe.
celestialjade
4 weeks, 1 day ago
We all have those 1-5 universals, those things that we truly believe and will not budge on. The difference is if you yell and scream about it or just say" no mate, lets just disagree and move on." The first is not productive, the latter is being an adult.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I'd say the only time where disagreeing and moving on isn't viable is when only one party can actually move on, actually forget about it, and actually get on with their lives- while the other party is still trapped in the nightmare they are trying to fight out of.

Which is the one case I find myself in often these days when butting heads about economics with people who have, frankly, no idea what being poor truly is, means, or how it functions.

Apart from that, yes, it is the better thing to do in most cases. Typically people who have disagreements can even be extremely close friends, or married. haha Definitely people who get married.
KevinSnowpaw
4 weeks, 1 day ago
tend to find myself agreeing with this pretty hard. especially in the USA. Cant discuss anything your a right wing insert horrible string of offensive crap here or a left wing insert same stuff here. that's it that's the whole conversation. XD
KevinSnowpaw
4 weeks, 1 day ago
well as for the whole right/left how could you think I was right wing thing...


I can absolutely see that!

the reason for it being that half the people who claim to know what it means to be right or left or even conservatives or liberal or progressives dont fucking know what that even means...


It's not a Binary it never has been. it's a slideing scale but even THEN it's exclusive to each issue. While most people who are for example, far left tend to be left on MOST if not all major political issues it's not exclusive by any means.

Just like how not all lefties are pro globalist morons, and not all right wingers are hard core Christian hate mongers.

It's Entirely possible to be exceedingly left wing on a topic, and then actually lean RIGHT on a completely different one. I know lefites who are hardcore gun freaks for example XD


If people saw you as right wing mistakenly it's likely they thought they understood your stance on an issue or two and extrapolated from that you being right wing or conservative, incorrectly perhaps but we ALL fall into the trap of "I play for team A or I play for team B" when really we should be trying to avoid boxing ourselves in with self imposed identity.
MythicFox
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Thank you for sharing with us your journey and insight. I wish I had something useful to add, but I understand how difficult it can be to do this sort of self-reflection, organize your thoughts so eloquently, and put all this out there. I acknowledge and applaud your courage and strength.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
That's very kind of you to say. ^w^
Lloxie
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I can sympathize with a lot of that. Kinda went on the same (or very similar at least) journey politically, including with the garbage on Tumblr. Granted, I was just a nobody that reblogged stuff and rarely drew anything, so I didn't get all the direct abuse you did, but I still saw plenty of it hurled at artists I did follow. The mid- to late-10s were a hideously disorienting time, politically, for various reasons. It got to the point where even though I was and always have been a lefty (and grown even moreso over time), I pretty much hated everyone passionately for a little while and had to "unplug" from certain things in 2017, and even moreso in 2019.

Even now the world, and this country specifically, is a dumpsterfire and the future look bleaker than ever. But at least personally I have some things to give life some meaning. Mainly my writing, though I've started drawing a bit more again too. Aannnnnd started contemplating the whole gender thing myself. During these chaotic times, I guess it's just important to focus on dealing with your own personal issues first and foremost, and try to tune out the static of the world at large, at least insofar as there's nothing you can do about it. Which is something I always struggled with, heh.

To be honest, you're an interesting person, Skoon. One of the main reasons I follow you is because I feel like we're kind of on the same wavelength about some things, where it can be hard to find common ground with people, even if we're very different in other areas.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
aaaw uwu <3

That would explain why you vanished for a while! I am glad to still have you around though. Familiar names I enjoy like yours anchor me to reality.
Lloxie
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeahhh probably doesn't help that I refused to follow the masses to Twitter and such after Tumblr did the Big Dumb xD

In any case, with all the turmoil, I'm glad you're still pushing forward, whatever happens. It's a fuckin' crazy topsy-turvy world, so it's good to see someone else with a similar perspective hanging on despite the insanity. Here's to hoping we both continue to survive the madhouse, hehe.
Calamity2000
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Yeah it ain't even *just* feminism really. There's quite a few movements being co-opted into a pop-version of itself that then proceed to bully people, some more successful than others and it's painful watching people fall for them.
Teko
4 weeks, 1 day ago
I think that in 2016, there was some small-- small --  benefit of the doubt towards people who voted for Trump, given his long history of basically being a cartoonish clown, and his insistence on how pro-LGBTQ he was.

Anyone who votes for him in 2024 is either utterly ignorant, a troll casting a hate-vote, or an active fascist.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
That and, to be perfectly clear- I was an online presence by 2016 but I was not mentally-online, if that makes sense? So my knowledge of who Trump really was, was very limited. As my world was much more based on my personal meat-space, and I was out of touch with the pulse of society.

I think there was a lot of that too. It gets forgotten about, I think, that so many of us really didn't live connected lives until recently.

Especially from rural areas, which I was.

All that aside- I had no interest in him so much as I was angry at the Dems for screwing Bernie. However, given the chance to go back I believe ALL of us who felt that way would ignore her personality and vote for Hillary in a heartbeat.
Lloxie
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Absolutely agree. Hell, after the whole Jan. 6th thing alone, there's no denying what an existential threat he and his whole cult are to everything decent and sane in the world. And by no means am I a Biden fan; hell, I hate the Dems on the whole almost as much as the GOP at times. But in this case there's no equivalence. I fear for the world, nevermind the nation, this fall if things go his way...
Ronoae
4 weeks, 1 day ago
Thank you for sharing this with us.
Skoon
4 weeks, 1 day ago
<3
ArenConcordia
4 weeks, 1 day ago
TERFs are awful, but I have to object to calling them fascist. They're not. If we just call everyone we don't like fascist, the word ceases to have any meaning.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Dude, they align with actual neo-Nazis.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
I haven't seen any evidence of that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. However, that still doesn't make them fascist. Just awful people lol
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Wouldn't take long for you to find it if you looked. Not long at all. More to the point, aligning with fascist groups and defending fascist ideology does, indeed, make them fascist. Welcoming neo-Nazis into their rallies by way of being entirely passive (actions speak louder than words) does, indeed, advertise them as fascist.

I am not really sure why you are fighting me on that. A red car is red even if you hate red.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
I'm "fighting" you on this because I'm sick of people shutting down any sort of conversation by dismissing anyone who disagrees with them as ontologically evil.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
You're bringing in outside frustrations to let out against me. You can't see how unproductive that is?

I don't know the other people you have argued with. I don't live in your head. I don't deserve your stress.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
You started a conversation, I don't know why you're acting like having a different viewpoint is a personal attack on you. I thought we could have a civil discourse.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
???

You are genuinely taking your personal baggage out on me, and now you are trying to turn the narrative into "big bad Skoon is being defensive", when I haven't said a single thing out of place. I have been having a rational discussion with you this whole time, you just don't like what I have to say.

Jesus jumped-up Christ I am getting sick of you people projecting onto me today. Stop it. Seriously. Knock it off.

I am not your playtoy. Look inward, breathe, and come back with a cooler head.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
I am cool. I simply said I disagreed with a point you made, and I don't have a "narrative". I stated a counterpoint, you asked why I have that counterpoint, I explained it, and you've claimed I'm just making some completely unrelated thing your problem, instead of talking about this issue with you like I'm trying to do. I don't mind disagreeing, but don't act as if I'm being unreasonable.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Please re-read the conversation. I do not think we had the same one. You clearly do mind disagreeing. Literally that's the whole reason you lumped me in with a nebulous crowd of people who shut conversations down for calling a spade a spade. I even told you how easy it was to go find evidence of my claim. Sure I could go find it for you but Jesus Christ this comment thread has already ruined my day, and I don't want to put an hour-plus into effort somebody is potentially just going to ignore flat out anyhow.

At that point you stopped talking to me, about what I said, and started talking to me about what people in my general... flavor? Have said.

This is a moot point and has become a last word race, honestly. I am getting tired and aggravated now.

People push me to a point of upset and then act shocked when I get upset.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
And no, I don't think you're bad. I think you're a very sweet and kind lady, actually. I think our differing experiences have led us to have different beliefs.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
I'm glad you think so but that doesn't seem to be coming through in either direction, right now.

I think I just have to stop answering because I've hit my mental wall. I can't really form coherent thoughts as easily as I ought to.

All of this was not the purpose of this journal.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
Okay. That's fair. I hope you feel better, hon.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
I hope you understand we have no bad blood from my perspective. This is just a one-off stressful exchange as far as I am concerned.

Definitely nowhere near the... other conversations I have had the "luxury" of on this journal.

Thank you, though. hug
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
*Hug* Thanks, hon. It's probably just misunderstanding on my part and being stressed out on yours. Love your art, stay safe, stay sane <3
LuckyRuby
4 weeks ago
Using power, or supporting power, that denies people the right to autonomy is textbook fascism.
ArenConcordia
4 weeks ago
That's a symptom of fascism, not the root. "Everything withing the state, nothing outside of the state, all for the state." That's the root.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Okay but if I have the symptoms of the flu I probably have the flu.
Makroth
4 weeks ago
Nope. That's a symptom.
furf
4 weeks ago
Kantra
4 weeks ago
our existence is political, our survival is critical, and your feelings are legitimate. dont apologize for being complicated hun awrf
Skoon
4 weeks ago
aaww I appreciate that. ;w;
Calbeck
4 weeks ago
My experience, as a former California liberal, is the reverse of yours. So is my view of events, politics, and social issues.

I believe you have been lied to, a lot, by people and entities you implicitly trust. I believe you probably would think the same of me if I told you my views, except in my case I do not implicitly trust my sources. I am a center-right skeptic who understands Trump is literally NOT Hitler and is also a New York real-estate blowhard (and always has been), who won in 2016 because the Democrats were incapable of running a genuinely worthwhile candidate. He lost in 2020 to an even worse candidate not because he himself became worse but because of nonstop political propaganda both for and against him which has polarized the nation to the point people unironically speak of civil war.

I would like to see both the GOP and DNC implode and allow fresh new voices to be heard. The Establishments of both parties have stifled that in favor of themselves for decades. Trump has, so far, been the only source of actual reform whether he intended it or not, with the knives of both Establishments coming out for his audacity at upsetting both the Bush and Clinton apple-carts.

Don't live in fear. Also don't live in paranoia. Being on the left does not stop one from being the equivalent of QAnon.

Have a good life.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Look into project 2025 and then tell me he's not the bad guy again. If you still can with a straight face at that point, then I don't have any good words for you. These people are literally, openly admitting to being evil and the only way you can ignore that is by literally ignoring it.
Calbeck
4 weeks ago
Project 2025 is not a Trump project and has no actual support in the GOP. There are zero bills proposing it.

This I say, because as soon as I heard about it last year, I looked for that info myself.

Yeah, you've been lied to. So was I. The difference is I investigated instead of accepting what I was told.

FUN FACT: the further you go on the Political Right, the more you see whackaloons putting up the same kind of nonsense, but about what "The Left Has In Store For You OOOOOH BE SCARED". These would also allegedly reference "internal Democrat memos" and similar things which on investigation would not pan out. This is why I am a centrist. Both extremes are full of looneys.

Good day.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
Citation needed. Considering you have been highly condescending and are thus far the only person to say it's not part of his campaign at all that I've come across, AND you are of the "team" who would want to put that forward- citation needed.

You act as though I heard about it from one person and went, "yup that's enough for me". I'm insulted enough to really not want to bother speaking to you anymore, frankly. Especially considering you should know better.

Howsabout you have yourself a "NY good day", if you catch my drift.
Calbeck
4 weeks ago
I've been considerate of WHY you believe what you believe. Because I've seen people from both ends of the spectrum adopting views in the same way you describe.

And it's your claim that "Project 2025" is a legitimate threat. Because someone you trust told you, and you took it at face value. Whether that's one person or a thousand people is irrelevant - if a million people believe the North American tectonic plates are giant hamsters fighting over kibble, it's still not a thing. I can say this conclusively because I did my own homework on P2025 last year when people began talking about it.

If you're demanding I provide proof that what you believe isn't true, I'm in the position of an atheist telling a Christian that God isn't real and them saying "prove it" instead of a Christian saying "here is my proof that my belief is founded on reality".

I've had hundreds of discussions on these sorts of things and what I've usually seen is not an interest in verifiable data, but a preference in maintaining an existing worldview, which is a common human psychological issue when it comes to conflicting ideologies. I've already told you there's no GOP support for P2025 and no bills to advance it - and you want a citation for something that doesn't exist.

As I said before. Have a good life. I'll do the same.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
So you, whom the burden of proof is on here, cannot prove it, and your opt-out is to just assume I'm inflexible so why bother.

Okay. Well. I'm not an expert in how the government works, and thanks to ADHD I am unfortunately easy to confuse and overwhelm- an easy target for the verbose. However, of course there are no bills supporting it right now. It's not IN the government right now, because they are waiting on a Trump victory.

The statement is, from Donald himself, that they want to push this through starting on day one. Although in his typical snake-oil salesman style, he won't call it out by name, just allude to its goals with a wink-nudge.

It is supported by the Heritage foundation, which was all over Cpac in favor of and in the good graces of Trump himself, and GOP politicians.

There is, in fact, GOP support for the project.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trumps-allies-congr...

Here is a discussion about it which goes into how all of its drafters and supporters are former and current Trump supporters and alumni- https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56593/has-...

I could go digging around Youtube as well, which is where I first heard of it. Of course every other major news site has plenty, even Reddit has several discussion threads.

Is Project 2025 a guarantee? No, no presidential campaign ideal is, ever. Is it a very, very real possibility? YES. Is Trump mean-spirited and cranky enough to go for it? YES. Are the MAGAs hateful enough to back it? YES.

Trump did not conceive of it but he is on board. If you still doubt me, you should see footage of speakers from Cpac.

This is not a case of me being sorely misinformed, as badly as you wish it was.
Calbeck
4 weeks ago
It is your allegation that P2025 is a threat.

I am telling you exactly what I told the people on the Far Right who used to yell at me that black helicopters were going to spirit "real patriots" to FEMA camps in the middle of the night in order to seize guns from all Americans: that's horseshit.

I am only even talking to you about this, instead of remaining silent, for the exact same reason I have spoken up to THOSE people in the past: I am worried to see otherwise intelligent people buy into the newest conspiracy theory and then get angry when their theories are challenged.

No, I don't have to prove to you that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
No, I don't have to prove to you that crop circles aren't aliens trying to communicate with us.
No, I don't have to prove to you that the Moon Landing wasn't faked.

And I refuse to live in fear of boogeymen created by hucksters who target given political and social demographics to con your money, your lifestyle, and your vote out of you. I can't stop you from doing otherwise, either. It's a free country.

Looking at your links, the first one has nothing to do with P2025. It's about deportations - i.e., upholding immigration laws - and pardons for J6 protestors.

If you actually believe J6 was an insurrection, then I could see why you would be upset, but to date no one's been charged with insurrection. Instead, some have been charged with sedition - a catch-all charge which the Left USED to complain about because it is nothing more or less than "anything which disrupts government". This was a charge often used, especially in the South, to go after antiwar protestors in the '60s and '70s because they were "disrupting" the government's ability to fight an unpopular war by doing things like chaining themselves to train tracks to stop munitions shipments.

The devil is always in the details. Propagandists know 95%+ of people never read those details - so they can say one thing in a headline and another at the end of the article. Your ABC News link doesn't support your viewpoint at all, why should I?
Skoon
4 weeks ago
You are literally ignoring facts just to be "right".

Man, I know California has problems because of its corrupted left-wing government, but right now people like you are taking it out on millions of innocent people just because you have a chip on your shoulder.

Also, way to prove you were just projecting about the citation stuff.

You are a bad person, and I'm not talking to you anymore.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
For any on-lookers seeing this argument and wondering-

The deportation issue is part of Project 2025 and the article specifically names members of the GOP in favor of it. Calbeck was not anywhere near as studied as he claimed to be, it would appear.
Teko
3 weeks, 5 days ago
Holy fucking shit. You’re one of THOSE people claiming that J6 wasn’t an insurrection, and you think you’re a non-brainwashed “centrist”?

You are part of the problem and a facist, in a factual sense.
Skoon
3 weeks, 5 days ago
There was a lot I wanted to call out in his last comment there, that being one of the many. Sadly I was so exhausted and getting unironically angry by that point that simply blocking him and cutting it off was best.

Yeah I could not BELIEVE he even alluded to that.
StarRabbit
4 weeks ago
" Calbeck wrote:
My experience, as a former California liberal, is the reverse of yours. So is my view of events, politics, and social issues.


Ah, a living example of: "Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds."
Skoon
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I've come up against this too often lately. "Former California Liberal"

I get where it comes from. It's easy to look at your state crumbling and hear the common narrative of "it's the liberal government!" and take it to heart because you are upset. The same thing happened when Steven Crowder had millions convinced of the lie that liberals destroyed Detroit.

However, these people are missing the forest for the trees. Ironically, they always claim I have been lied to, all the while buying a huge media lie. The things ailing California are so multi-faceted and (ultimately) bipartisan that pinning it on a single party is more misguided than a bum missile.

Moreover, they take their personal baggage about their home state and decide to enact revenge on all innocent parties the right wing predates upon for their own satisfaction. Selfish, stubborn, dumb.

Being highly self-centered (aware of it or not) is, after all, a key ingredient to being full on right wing. Stands to reason, I suppose.

It's a growing trend in my experiences, unfortunately. Specifically these Californians.
Teko
3 weeks, 4 days ago
The fact that deep, complex issues are indeed multidimensional and have both positive AND negative points is something that gets lost so easily in the screaming bubbles of social media. Both liberals and conservatives make sweeping judgements on issues and politicians in black-and-white purity tests. It's unhelpful, reductive, and ignores the subtle gray area most things exist in.
Skoon
3 weeks, 4 days ago
A rigid binary system for a flexible gray world of gradients and variety.

Although truthfully, the American system is barely even a binary. We have radical right, and center right. No true left party.
StarRabbit
3 weeks, 4 days ago
" Teko wrote:
The fact that deep, complex issues are indeed multidimensional and have both positive AND negative points is something that gets lost so easily in the screaming bubbles of social media. Both liberals and conservatives make sweeping judgements on issues and politicians in black-and-white purity tests. It's unhelpful, reductive, and ignores the subtle gray area most things exist in. BOFF SYDEZ!


Please, I'm BEGGING you; look up what the 'Golden Mean' fallacy is and understand that just because there're two sides doesn't mean both are equally valid. The Left make sweeping judgements about Rightoids because they are generally true. Rightoids make sweeping judgements because they are raging narcissists attracted to an ideology that reinforces their arrogance, selfishness, and incuriousness. Spouting trite, mealy-mouthed shit like this is not impressing anyone.
Skoon
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I can't speak for them of course, but I don't think that's exactly what they were driving at.

But also at this point everybody has begun to talk past me on this journal and I'm about to lock it.
GraveMind
4 weeks ago
I skimmed through this, and... honestly? I get it. Unfortunately, I've become so disillusioned by all this political bullshit that I can't, in good conscience, find the will to choose a side in... literally any of it. All I know is I'm on my own side. That's all I care about right now. At least you have reasons to be on yours. I wish I could say the same for... well, the majority of this comment section.

As for me, I'm just... tired. Tired of being lied to by both sides. Tired of being pushed and pulled one way or the other. So I gave up. I admit that. Doesn't mean you should, though. At least you made a choice, and you have reasons to. I don't have it in me to do the same anymore...
Skoon
4 weeks ago
That exhaustion is valid. To be transparent, I am not so much on a side chosen as I am on a side necessitated by the dynamic. It's a harsh black and white system in a world of gradients.

As for this comment section- there's more projection here than in a mirror right now. haha
GraveMind
4 weeks ago
Yeah. And you didn't make that choice out of fear. You clearly looked at both sides and made an educated decision based on what you're feeling right now. Most people don't do that. They want to be force-fed opinions by people they think are smarter than they are. At least you understood that. I mean, that's how I see it at least...
MeganBryar
4 weeks ago
Honestly, I think
Kantra
Kantra
said everything I can think of to say, better than I could say it. People are complicated, messy, and every one of us has our own, unique perspective on the world, hammered out on the anvil of individual experience. Don't beat yourself up for your mistakes. That's part of being human. And if all you get from people who belong to, or claim to belong to, a particular movement or ideology is shit, wanting to give them shit right back is, at least, a very relatable experience.

For what it's worth, I think you are, and always have been, pretty damn awesome, and I hope that your road ahead will be much brighter and filled with the kindness you deserve.
Skoon
4 weeks ago
No U. <3

I am glad to see you here. Always a light in the dark for me. :)
SecretGoodra
4 weeks ago
Honestly Politics is just a hot mess right now, and I prefer to stay far away from any of it
I just want us all to be able to get along, and NOT be at each others necks

Is this too much to ask for?
SpoonFox
4 weeks ago
Tell that to people who want transgenders to die, tell that to people who want to ban 'gay people' from their state, tell that to people who want ethnicities to be jailed and murdered and hated. Politics involves survival right now. Some come to the internet to flee the cesspool, but many, MANY people on this website have made it their identity to support hatred toward their own kind, hatred towards trans people, and hatred towards anyone who doesn't agree with them. Until those people stop spreading hate and vitriol, there is no safety.

On the other paw... Skoon did title the journal about politics and you came to leave a comment anyways... At least they weren't subtle or lying to you about the content of the post.
SecretGoodra
4 weeks ago
Enjoy your block

Edit: Also you completely missed the point of my comment, and it was in SUPPORT of Skoon.
Skoon
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Hey Goo, I just want to point you towards their reply- I think you both are on the same page and just had a tonal misunderstanding due to the nature of text.

I hope you can work it out, I don't want people in-fighting if avoidable. :)

SecretGoodra
3 weeks, 6 days ago
You're a sweet bean, Skoon!
Sorry for all the trouble~
Skoon
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Really, this is no problem. ^w^ Especially not relative to the rest of this thread. haha
SecretGoodra
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I try to avoid starting trouble if I can help it~
I'm a Goodra, a creature of peace, not strife~
SpoonFox
4 weeks ago
And I am also in support of Skoon. I am merely stating that you can't just say "lets all get along" without seeing so many people actively trying to harm others.

The last bit was specifically stating "Skoon was kind enough to state this was a political journal, unlike a LOT of people on this site."

I apologize if I seemed snappy at ya, Goodra. Communication through text an lead to misunderstandings and intent loss.
SecretGoodra
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Fair enough~
Apology Accepted!
SpoonFox
4 weeks ago
I know I do not post much here anymore... And it's partly because of some of the horrible comments in this post towards you. The hatred and attacks, the political flailing, and the refusal to bring forth citations and sources to claims... These people are horrendous towards you, and they will do anything to back their halfass fucked up perspectives to 'look good'... They scream in an echo chamber, and anytime someone challenges them with sources they're wrong, they'll dogpile and scream and flail and use their status in the fandom against you. It's not nice. There is no 'kindly listen to my opinion' when they're screaming to have you and your kind hurt or hunted down... It's especially awful when they lie straight to your face. I see two people in this journal whom have talked to me about how 'trans people shouldn't exist' in the past who need to shut the fuck up about 'supporting your right'.

One does not get to say "Lets be friends" and support people who are literally killing you and your kind. Also... So many of these people... Don't fucking understand the people they're supporting? WANT THEM DEAD TOO! Most of the people they vote for are anti-gay, and many of these people are gay! *sigh!*

I'm not a liberal. I'm not a conservative. I fucking hate polarity. But I will not side with people who want others to be harmed, I will not side with people who think another person shouldn't exist, and I will NEVER side with someone who lies straight to your face saying they love you, and immediately does shit that will harm or even kill you.

Your existence is valid and wonderful, Skoon. Trans should not be a political topic, because it's something that will help us, as humanity, move forward in science, in understanding the mind and body, and help us as a whole in helping each other. Kindness outweighs hate. It will always outweigh hate.

I can go to any loud rightwing idiot and get them to tell me to kill myself for -any- number of reasons (lol being furry one of the easiest!). But if I go to loud leftwing folks? They offer sympathy, kindness, and friendship almost immediately. The only time a rightwinger wants any form kind kindness out of you? Is when they want you to agree with their selfish bullshit. It's always been selfishness versus empathy... And, buddy, humans are social creatures, selfishness may help you survive, but it'll doom the human race as a whole. *shakes head and sighs*

*hug!* Sorry for the idiots in your comments. They're being lied to, manipulated, and abused... And like to do the same to other people... Also, a little funny you ran into one who refused to offer citations or sources. I remember a meme that showed a post on the r/conservatives reddit titled "What's the fastest way to get banned here?" with just the post saying "Source?" Hehe. I also got a few death threats on FA from people by asking for sources... And when they offer a singular -very- biased source, I debunk it with 4 to 8 other sources... There was another fur who recently screamed at me here for pointing out his transphobia, stating transgender is not a real word... I gave him the literal Merriam Webster Dictionary link to it, and he called it Liberal Propaganda... *sigh!*

You're a good person, Skoon. You grow from your mistakes. These people would rather wallow in their mistakes and let it define their personality. Keep growing, you beautiful flower.
Skoon
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I genuinely appreciate you stepping out of silence to say something. I understand being quiet from being tired, if nothing else, and this means a lot.

Thank you.

As it references my exchange with Cal, I even did my best to avoid citing my sources which could be more easily considered biased. That primarily being the Youtubers I follow (Dead Domain is literally as well researched as you can possibly get, but unfortunately easily hand-waved by these people as she is also openly a trans-woman). I Thought better to search out forums and news articles instead. He still refused to entertain it for even a moment, or bother to substantiate any of his claims at all.

Sad.

I won't force those two names out of you ofc, but I could hazard a pretty decent guess. haha

It reminds me on how I lost so many Brony-artist friends because as time wheeled on, they radicalized rightward. Suddenly Skoon stopped being based enough, if you know what I mean. Now, I am the one who cut them off- but of course I am. They wanted to convert me oooor get me to at least be entirely passive about their very harmful rhetoric. I won't play that game when the tigers want to eat my face.

furf
4 weeks ago
Crazy how many people see "politics" and "leftist" being spoken about in any capacity and immediately feel the need to show off their room-temperature IQ and lack of reading comprehension, while also somehow acting entitled as all hell.
Skoon
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Almost as if they got... triggered?

Yeah it's really fascinating. The lengths of desperate spin-doctoring they go to as well, too. The gaslighting and turnabout tactics and victim-blaming just ooze out of them as soon as they get remotely defensive.
legojohn
4 weeks ago
I don't really care about the drama, but I thought your journal was reasonable and it didn't disturb my life, so just putting that out there. I did read it, but didn't get upset.
Atrolux
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Good journal. Even better block list below it. Lol
Skoon
3 weeks, 5 days ago
It's always handy when they out themselves, at least. haha
skyboxmonster
3 weeks, 5 days ago
I dont check my notifications so I saw your latest journal before this one. I was curious what was going on so I had a skim though of this journal.    
I agree with almost every point you made. Pro-bernie, anti-capitalism, Anti-car, I did not do the revenge vote but due to broken voting mechanics it did not matter anyway since my state is almost always blue.  
I did like seeing the mention of personal growth and reflection.      
I will hazard to guess that you also follow a Youtube channel called Not Just Bikes and know what a Stroad is. You also presented your journal in a logical manner instead of a anger-bait style typical of propaganda of the right wing.

Despite the abuse of the comments section dishes out, I will say you have earned my respect here.

Oh and the two types of Feminism thing.   yeah Its a issue of people using the same word to mean two VERY different ideas.
I was having constant fights with a specific person for a long time until I sat down and was re-reading out logs over and over. I finally figured out they key words in my argument were getting the reaction that a totally DIFFERENT word would.  He was speaking a different language than my local English. a painful lesson to be sure. But once I discovered it, I was able to clear a lot of miscommunication issues afterwards.


Skoon
3 weeks, 5 days ago
I feel you on the electoral college making the vote pointless anyhow. My state was also going to be blue no matter what, my vote did nothing save for county statistics.

Thank you so much for reading it and understanding my goal. <3 I absolutely don't rage-bait, despite accusations from rage-baiters who habitually project. And as much as I'd love to lie about my 2016 decisions and hide them, I feel that'd be destructive somehow.

Also yes, I do follow that channel! haha I had grown to loathe those "arterial highways" before hand, but he gave me the label for them. STROAD. Adamsomething, as well.

They did not turn my opinion, though, so much as give me the context and articulation for why I felt how I felt. As somebody who has been trapped and screwed by car culture for yeeeeeears I have despised it for so long. I only say that because of how readily and gleefully right-wing folks will say things like, "they lied and poisoned you blah blah blah, sheep" or something. haha As if we can't have possibly come to our own conclusions, ever.

Yeah that word meaning two things problem is severe. Especially in our currently hostile discourse culture.

skyboxmonster
3 weeks, 5 days ago
For my own mentality I started to simply check if the person I was talking to was acting in good faith or bad faith.
I can handle someone that is wrong or stupid if they are well intentioned and acting in good faith. But if their arguments or word choice show they are not well intentioned, and knowingly acting in bad faith.  I write them off as a NPC and follow the old advice of "dont feed the trolls".


Much of what is needed is people to admit they are wrong.  And as a lover of Science I love to be proven wrong. I mean yeah it hurts. but I become smarter for it!

Up until recently I lumped all rural americans into the same bag as the right wing extremists.  Until I started to see the videos of ..... for a lack of a better term "classic republicans",  that are openly calling out the hypocracy of modern/extremist republicans.     which was a bit of a shock at the time to be sure. but while they are using the word Repblican, They were acting in good faith.    which while I still disagree with their point of view of 'small government'.   They still get my respect for calling out modern republicans who are pushing for as much government over-reach as possible.

To add context. I am not anti-government, I am anti-THIS-government.
Skoon
3 weeks, 5 days ago
That IS the key! A simple willingness to admit being wrong. The most common thread with people, like the few I fought with above, is that they just cannot and will not admit being wrong. They HAVE to be correct, at all costs. It's ego, it's foolishness, it's willful ignorance, and it is textbook narcissism.

People also have to be open to the idea that they will always make mistakes, no matter how old they get. Not everybody has the same experiences and if you are somebody who angrily expects others to know what you know by default, that will eventually come back on you.

As you know, the scientific method is not about proving yourself right, it's about proving yourself wrong to find the truth. That literacy is being lost and it's a tragedy.

I, having come from rural America and still being on its fringes, know exactly what you mean. I have seen the death of the Republican party in favor of MAGA up close, and it's very real. I feel many old Republicans will be voting blue this year.
htfcuddles
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Reading this reminds me in a way of my own journey, where before I even started caring for politics I had been pushed into a very... lets call it "conservative" mindset. Something very pushed due to the religious beliefs everyone in my family professed back then (and still do).

Growing out of all the shit I said in these years -that became depressed years when I started being a 4chan regular- has been, "A Journey". Accepting that what I did and said back then was horrible, to the point that today i loathe the myself of that era, has been... actually easier than it should have been, because I now understand I was more swayed due to how things were, not actually "being myself".

That's why today i hold a very deep resentment against organized religion (and one religion in particular I'm not gonna mention to avoid attracting some people). By now I've been very open in how I wanna distance myself from how I used to be 10 years ago (apologized for it a couple times too), and its still an ongoing journey. And its funny how my family doesnt say anything but I can see how much they dislike the fact I moved on to be fully leftist once I finally started thinking by myself. Dad still tries to tell me his very racist comments from time to time, or homophobic, and I can see that it kills him internally to see that I don't really entertain them and just ignore him. I think that hurts him more than if I fought against him lol
Skoon
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Wow, you and I have remarkably similar paths in that regard!

I think it happens to anybody who gradually grows apart from a religious, conservative family.

Even though left-wingesque thoughts and feelings were always in me, I was made to feel like those things were wrong, stupid, and often times "Satan".


So, yeah, in my opinion religious dogma is akin to mental abuse.
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