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=- HOW TO BE A FASCIST -=

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Alright, so this will probably need some explanation, because folks are way too quick to jump to horrible conclusions.

This was created due to several folk recently falsely labelling me as a fascist, nazi and/or white supremacist.

I am none of these things. And started to think about how they could have even come to such a flawed conclusion.

So ended up putting together this handy step by step guide, so that folks could see 'how to be a fascist' in the flawed reasoning of many folks.

1: Oppose ALL authoritarian regimes, including fascism.
- Now this one is interesting. Because, ordinarily, being opposed to the very concept and foundational need of fascism, that of authoritarian government, would mean that you are fundamentally against it. However, if you oppose ALL authoritarian forms of governance, including communism. Then folks will instantly think that you are a fascist. Not sure how though. It just happens magically.

2: Accept everyone for WHO they are and not WHAT they are.
- Yeah, if you believe that who a person is, their action, what they say/do and how they go about things, is more important than how someone just happens to be born... something that is completely out of their control... apparently you are a racist. And therefore, since you have now been labelled a racist, that makes you a white supremacist. Apparently.

3: Oppose the use of violence except in self defence and competition.
- Well yeah. This is the point that we are at now, apparently. If you oppose violence, political violence, avocation of violence, things like that, apparently this means that you support nazis. I have been told this. In all seriousness. Even though opposing violence makes you go against those extreme authoritarian governance regimes such as fascism and communism. Apparently by opposing it you support nazis... according to some. If you point out how the far left initiated this violence, and the media justified and supported it, and now the far right are finally starting to be violent too. Apparently this means that you support violence. Even though it goes against what you were talking about, and against what you have said.

4: Make art and comments trying to highlight the extreme tribalism creeping through the west.
- Unfortunately speaking truth to those who don't want to hear it will get you falsely labelled as well. If you don't like just how exterme and tribalistic the far left and far right are, and how both sides are advocating for violence. Well then, you are just a horrible individual who support fascism.. somehow.

5: Try to build bridges rather than burning them.
- Yeah... if you try and be nice to folks who have been falsely accused of horrible things. Then that means that you apparently, magically, support those horrible things. Even if all you are trying to do is be friendly. You will get falsely called a fascist, purely because you drew art for someone in an attempt to be kind. That is right, being kind is fascism in the eyes of some.

6: Support freedom of speech.
- Yeah, if you don't already know about this. Apparently according to many, freedom of speech is just a nazi dogwhistle. That is right. That thing that the nazis never supported, is apparently secretly a nazi thing. And avocation for and support of, freedom of speech, purely means that you are trying to support nazi ideals. Even though you aren't, at all, in any way.

So there you have it.

The flawed reasoning that has gotten me falsely labelled as a nazi, fascist and white supremacist by some.

Really, I mean, this is quite clearly why we need #AltFurry

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Maulkin
6 years, 2 months ago
You and I both know that no matter how much you disavow and politically oppose fascism, nazi-ism, white supremacy, etc, those who will mindlessly accuse you of it won't be appeased by anything short of "mea culpa mea culpa I confess my sins against Leftism please forgive me!"

So, f*** 'em.

Let them call you a Nazi. If it's in private, blow it off and ignore them. If it's in public, or others are watching, use a witty retort to mock them for their idiocy - something lewd and witty would work too, preferably involving innuendos about 'invading Poland'. The simple fact is, them calling you a Nazi isn't a legitimate criticism, it's just a dishonest silencing and shaming tactic.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
Unfortunately those silencing and shaming tactics can result in not being able to have a witty retort in public, because you aren't allowed to go anywhere due to being disinvited places.

That is the frustrating part.
AndrewShannon
6 years, 2 months ago
They believe that everything that isn't communist or progressive is all intertwined with "fascism", which to them is Western society and culture as a whole, not the actual doctrine of corporatized syndicalism under a one-party dictatorship that fascism actually is. They think "fascism" is so ingrained that the family-unit can be "fascist", accepting biology or other "white people science" is "fascist", every part of western civilization is "fascist" to them.

Liberalism (by being the basis for most of our contemporary tradition) and libertarianism (by virtue of being apathetic to tradition) to them perpetuates their conception of "fascism", so it is "fascist" by-way of team thinking. Anything that isn't our team upholds parts of the other team, therefore it is part of the "other".

I think I've pointed out earlier how many progressives can, under normal circumstances, be considered National Socialists themselves (socialism or some other leftist economic view such as third position, racial (or sexual in the case of feminists) nationalism such as "black spaces" (though some do not support this, I do get it, but many do)) but of course I'd know they'd claim that because they're "oppressed" it's different, we swear.

It also is a silencing and shaming tactic, yes @ Maulkin, but it is tied to that underlying progressive communism that seeks to be "free" of tradition and western society for a "classless" utopia.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
Very well said.

Thank you.  : 3
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
You seem to have fallen even deeper into conspiracy after blowing up at me for showing you statistics.
AndrewShannon
6 years, 2 months ago
I didn't tell you you were "denying reality" after showing you statistics with very big holes in them and you not believing it...

I'm not going to debate you again, just letting you know that I wasn't the one who went a screaming tirade about everything being "alt-right" and "science denial"...
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
You mean big holes that I asked you to point out and you didn't? I showed you around...12 different sources that all confirmed the statistics. The only 'big hole' was that they conflicted with your world view, you provided no counter evidence and one of the sources was the Justice Department. xD

Now you are once again equating social liberalism with nazism, which kind of does look like reality denial. :b
AndrewShannon
6 years, 2 months ago
No, you never showed me any more than a few articles and you never asked me to point out anything, I did myself and you told me I was "denying reality". I said the gender pay gap can easily be explained by the fact that women and men choose different life choices.

I never equated those two, I never even mentioned social liberalism. Stop being a fucking snake if you don't want people to call you dishonest. I'll just block you because there's no use conversing with you since you deny others evidence, lie and twist others' words, and claim the same of others while denying you do it yourself.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
Also screaming tirade? I think you need to reread our conversation.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
I've read alt-furry's twitter feed. If its any indication as to their beliefs, I don't think we need them.

I also think that you might be misinformed - based on your comments - about several ideologies that seem to be demonized by you while in the same breath claiming you are being demonized.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
No idea what you are talking about there.

And no, I don't agree with everything that altfurry's twitter feed says. Because a lot of it is jokes, shitposting and memes.

The thing that I agree with is talking truth to power, and being able to express myself without gatekeepers trying to force me out of furry.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
Altfurry's twitter feed almost made me revoke my support for FR. I don't think it is very free-speech loving to say someone is mentally ill because they disagree with you, nor do I think its very patriotic to hope that your home country collapses or divides.

But - I'm more talking to the strawman attacks against liberalism, social liberalism, and socialism.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
No idea what you are talking about now.

To the best of my knowledge I haven't seen that kinda stuff.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
Its possible there is more than one alt-furry. The one I saw happened to be posting stuff that you'd see on infowars. I have a friend in one of their servers as well and 99% of the conversations from what he tells me are just echo-chamber talks about how evil the left is.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
There are numerous accounts and servers. It is extremely fractured.

Kinda the point really.

The whole concept of it is a joke. Because folks forcing identity politics into a subculture that is, essentially, fundamentally against it, is a joke.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
It sounds like a joke that has taken on a form of its own it. xD I don't think that is an appropriate deflection considering they seem genuine with what they believe. I don't doubt that at one time they were just jestfully poking fun at tumblrists - but now it seems they actually believe in tumblrism themselves, just a mirrored far-right form.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
Some quotes from QuQu the de-facto leader of AltFurry who managed to take over in a bloodless coup in early 2016.

- "We must ensure the existence of our species, and a future for Furry children."
- "Anti-specicism is code for anti-Furry."
- "Species mixing is furry genocide."

Now, what AltFurry ends up being. Is anyone who goes against far-left extremism, antifa, identity politics, etc...

Part of the various AltFurry groups that I have been a part of has been allowing freedom of speech, for all ideas to be discussed. And not to attack others for ideas or for who they happen to be (how they were born). Sure you can call the idea stupid, but disparaging based on race is a no no.

So yeah. There are some legit alt-right sorts in there. There are also some communists in there. And a collection of folk from the LGBT spectrum.

The group is fractured, the only primary linkage is the jokeish name/basis and the shitposting/memes that come from it. Which in part is about freedom of expression.

Yes, even horrible ideas.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
Well, again - that doesn't really hold true. The founder established it in such a way to where it has taken on a life of its own so you can't really define the movement by his opinions.

Of course by far-left you mean anything left-wing and with a heavy slathering of strawman and made up conspiracies? I mean, such as say...saying social liberalism is equitable with national socialism...which isn't even a form of socialism. (The DAP renamed itself in order to try to attract left-wing workers to its cause. Fascism is very much anti-liberal (social, market, or otherwise), anti-socialist, and anti-communist. It essentially formed as a reaction towards what was seen as a decline in western culture and moral corruption brought on by the 'liberal' revolutions of the 19th century that established capitalism [which fascists also oppose] and democracy [which fascists also oppose] as the 'norm'.)


I'm very much opposed to antifa and racism/'reverse'-racism but I doubt I would be welcomed there with anything other than a ban. xD
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
" The founder established it in such a way to where it has taken on a life of its own so you can't really define the movement by his opinions.


Yes, absolutely. As I was saying it was founded as a joke. And still is to an extent a joke group with some common thoughts.

" Of course by far-left you mean anything left-wing and with a heavy slathering of strawman and made up conspiracies?


Don't know if I should bother responding to your straw-man there.  ; 3
And no, I don't mean that.

Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
It is hardly a strawman given that you use the term far left to describe social liberals. Though it was mostly aimed at what they themselves believe to - sorry for the non-clarity. They attack anything leftist as if it were evil.

Again, from what I have heard and what little I've interacted with it - and it might just be coincidence - so far it seems like a movement that disregards those that do not agree with it on everything and demonizes those who disagree with it on anything. Again, the whole twitter feed I saw - through retweets of someone else (I don't personally use twitter I just happened across it through Inkbunny's strange built-in twitter thing) who seemed genuine in what they retweeted - was mostly strawmen and misinformation galore - with a heaping of ignorance on what people actually believe.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
And that is your perception of it.

From the internals of it, there have been numerous debates and concepts raised and talked about, from several angles/points of view.

I strongly disagree with the perception you have ended up with.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
I'm glad you find what I experienced and saw disagreeable, at least.

It could be a case of the group hijacked by those who see it as an 'ally' rather than a statement in and of itself. Nothing to be done about that except to let those people know that you don't stand by some of their more aggressive and violent views.
ZeloxQuo
6 years, 2 months ago
Well, there are also those of extreme views who are a part of the group.

Can't exclude them, because the group is self-identified after all, similar to furry.

So what you have experienced may well be true, of your experience, and those individuals may well be AltFurry. However one does not make the entirety.
Lapsa
6 years, 2 months ago
Not an issue of exclusion. After-all, I don't 'exclude' antifa by not tolerating violence. Its merely an issue of letting them know that you disagree with them, that you are not going to stand up beside them if they say...post armed people around schools to defend against 'corruption of the youth' and similar things.

And yes - though I would need to be shown the parts where they are not telling all leftists that they are evil, deplorable, mentally ill murderers, obviously. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt though!
mistervegan2
4 years, 8 months ago
The guy looks just like that woman with the cymbal head in the album "In The Aeroplane Over The Sea".
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