Inkbunny

Exactly this lol

Teko

1 year, 2 months ago

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He chose to ruin his own life.

kenso

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ Teko

"	Teko wrote:
	He chose to ruin his own life.

I love how many folk blame her for both his actions and his parents it is amazing to see.

Leilong

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ kenso

She isn't completely at fault but she did have a hand in it. As was depicted many pages ago, he was fine with her answer and. was gonna work hard to find the answer...it wasn't until his parents did what they did that everything went down hill. He was a child whose parents for all intents and purposes disowned him for being rejected by the Tree at that moment and since this was because she rejected him AT THAT TIME, alll that anger and pain was aimed at her....though half of that should have been aimed at his parents. Its no wonder he turned out the way he did...he had no one to guide him back

NopeNoClue

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ Teko

Exactly how?! Tell me how a CHILD who lost EVERYTHING and had to live on the STREETS is responsible?! He turned out the way he did because not only of his horrible parents but also because the tree of goddamn life said he wasn't good enough because as a CHILD he didn't have empathy and she even KNEW this would happen and did NOTHING to help

Teko

1 year, 2 months ago

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He has to bear much of the responsibility for his attitude and actions. All the Tree did was to tell him he wasn’t ready yet.

NopeNoClue

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ Teko

Ok clearly you have NO idea on how the mind of a CHILD works, so to save me from headache I'll out this as simple as I can. A Goddess told a child he wasn't good enough because the Goddess belive he wasn't kind hearted and knew what hardships it would cause didn't give a damn and let an innocent CHILD suffer. Find the details yourself if ya want, but put yourself into the shoes of a child and tell me what you do

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1 year, 2 months ago

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Welcome to the school of hard knocks.

Price of admission is free, but tuition may very well break you.

The administrator may intervene as they see fit for the welfare of an individual student, but ultimately are responsible for ALL students and therefore can take corrective action as necessary. Therefore, responsibility will not be waived due to age or circumstance except as the administrator sees fit.

First lesson of the day, life is not fair nor will it play favorites.

Fazzboyne

1 year, 2 months ago

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Well, we understand that she's trying to get him to realize that he need s to do things for his own sake, instead of upholding an obligation to status set by a family that does not love him as he is. She is not wrong for trying to curb this tendency because much can go wrong when one feels entitled to power that's not theirs.

We also understand that being cryptic as shit about "not seeking power for it's own sake" and "failing to build communal ties that bond the powerful to the realities of everyday people" is a good way to turn those doing it into sociopaths.

The guy was clearly stuck in his own head about his intent to claim a title that apparently carried class implications. Her job, as the arbiter of Class, was to pull his head out of his ass about their alleged shared priorities with guidance and instruction. She fucked up by letting his broken mind speak for her: spitting out answers that reflected the reality he wanted instead of the one he lived in. You dont let broken people sort out their own shit: they've physically lost the faculties needed to do that themselves, and need outside help to get right.

He's been in chapel perilous for all his life; locking him there is not how he gets out.

AurumG

1 year, 2 months ago

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I think a moment of clarity is coming for all the guardians. They all have stark flaws and colossal moral failings. They're about to be shown a mirror and will need to wrestle with what they see.

Not one of the guardians has been tested against the horror they face. I've watched real friends get psychologically destroyed when they go to an actual war zone and I feel something like that is coming for these kids too.

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1 year, 2 months ago

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I have the faint feeling that the Tree of Life is not very used to that "Explaining things clearly at the proper moment" method they've been teaching in Communication class, is she?

AccountForSomeone

1 year, 2 months ago

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Okay, seriously, WTF?

Drizzle

1 year, 2 months ago

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A lot of negativity here so far...

I, for one, am interested to see (no pun intended) how this plays out.

Out of all the artists I've followed, you're among the best when it comes to stories. And having expressed how much you love Nigel, I have little doubt you have a good story worked out.

Selianita

1 year, 2 months ago

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Not expecting blindness. is this really the best way to help him? feels like this would just make him hate her even more. totally wouldn't blame him if he chose to go all Anakin Skywalker on everyone after this.

blakeg

1 year, 2 months ago

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That's pretty much where i see this going now.

cesarin

1 year, 2 months ago

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"	Selianita wrote:
	Not expecting blindness. is this really the best way to help him? feels like this would just make him hate her even more. totally wouldn't blame him if he chose to go all Anakin Skywalker on everyone after this.

Probably yes.
Lets remember that he just refuses to do anything to improve himself or do anything himself.
In his EYES (intended), He can only blame her for what HIS parents did to him.
To resume, he needs to either get a proper change one way of another.
Besides, stealing from a God and other things... yeah.. I think he better get a proper lesson before he succumbs to something worse.

Selianita

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But this wouldn't have happened if she was more proactive in situations like this. she knew his parents had issues, but only told them to stop instead of making see the error in their methods. and clearly she wasn't going in to check on them afterwards like she should have to see if any changes occurred. nigel is the product of the methods of his parents and the negligence of tree mom. and I get she's stressed but doing something like this is a very risky Gamble. I get she wants everyone to have free will, but sometimes being direct can help people just as much and stop situations like this from happening.

cesarin

1 year, 2 months ago

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Selianita wrote:

Proactive how?
She can't force the parents to change.
And she could not change Nigel with subtly like she did before.

RaShCl

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ cesarin

Stealing from a god, all his dreams have been crushed, witch in turn made him live on the street, and if your on the street you do everything to survive, even if that means stealing from a god

kenso

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ RaShCl

Aside from the fact that the item he is stealing has nothing to with keeping him alive and the only reason he is stealing the item is to get back at her for his decisions.

cesarin

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ kenso

"	kenso wrote:
	Aside from the fact that the item he is stealing has nothing to with keeping him alive and the only reason he is stealing the item is to get back at her for his decisions.

This.
This robbery was just outright out of spite and to affect the other "knights".
Nothing to do with survival.
I do not think anyone in their right mind would buy an stolen amulet from a god either.

Dragon359

1 year, 2 months ago

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It's obvious that it will temporary, but it is at the very least a more severe way to teach a lesson. As much as he rags on others though, how prone he himself is to hatred, and how he is only growing more spiteful and not bothering to try and figure out what the lesson is...perhaps not the most popular opinion, but this might be a good (or at the very least an interesting) lesson for him from what I'm seeing.

whitepawrolls

1 year, 2 months ago

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As someone going blind irl I find this very cruel myself. I think I'm done with this comic at this point.

noryn

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ whitepawrolls

As someone with a dancing diaper pfp: don't throw stones.

RaShCl

1 year, 2 months ago

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This Sucks so much, yeah right tree of life, she should be called the tree of evil, I felt from the start she was more than she would lead people on to believe.

I hope that even if he is blinded he finds a way to get back at her for ruining his whole life.
he deserved better, she should have talked to his parents, but instead, she just left him be.

isn't there a saying you reap what you harvest?

If it was me I would find any kind of weapon, preferably a sword of any kind, and slit her throat with it, I liked this comic a lot, but now every inch of me hopes she and all the rest of the guardians die a horrible death.

now we know why she asks for new guardians, she just wants new cannon fodder.

kenso

1 year, 2 months ago

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How did she ruin his life? By telling him no as a child and it wasn't even a hard no it was a not right now come back when you understand no two or so pages ago she straight up tells him why and he still threw a temper tantrum. Even going back to his childhood she told him back then why she didn't choose him. At best his parents carry a bulk of the blame they abandoned a child but I guess being told not today is worse.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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Dude, you do understand that the nukacola deer just wants a soldier, right?
She is literally torturing him till she gets what she wants. A soldier against chaos.

To try and portray that as anything positive, is misguided at best, comically insane at worst.

noryn

1 year, 2 months ago

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It's hilarious how on here and the patreon so many commenters are letting their own negative experiences with parents/religion are having people comment how evil she is. It's as if these idiots haven't even seen a fantasy story before with an indirect path.

VMachiavelli

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ noryn

this.

it's storytelling, people. settle down. and if it made you feel some strong emotion, it's good storytelling.

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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Exactly, so many one-dimensional views...
People screaming that she OWES him for something, like there's not a whole world to save, and Nigel is a sole protagonist, and not a spoiled brat, not getting what he wants, then being abandoned by the parents that raised him in such way.
But somehow it's solely Luna's fault.

She's not perfect and has alot of flaws, but she owes nobody nothing.
I trully feel sorry for her.
Imagine trying your best to save whole world you helped grow and letting it live freely, only for such people from comment section to dogpile on you for doing a "poor job". x_x

Labyrias

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"	NeksusCat wrote:
	Exactly, so many one-dimensional views... People screaming that she OWES him for something, like there's not a whole world to save, and Nigel is a sole protagonist, and not a spoiled brat, not getting what he wants, then being abandoned by the parents that raised him in such way. But somehow it's solely Luna's fault.

He was groomed for a single role since he was born. To be her soldier.
He didnt have a choice in the matter, he in fact embraced it at first and tried to satisfy the demands of his parents and the tree.
But he was denied without an explanation, and then abandoned.
And despite being betrayed in such a fashion, she now blinds him with the literal demand to make him conform to her views.
She needs her to be this.
She needs her to be that.

Is that a position of good in your opinion? Is that a positive moral position?
Torturing and grooming children cause you want soldiers for your cause?

You speak of one dimensional views, but apparently you cant even seem to figure out the views and position of Nigel.

whiskeyfur

1 year, 2 months ago

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His -parents- groomed him. She didn't. And when his parents didn't get what they wanted, they abandoned him and pinned their failure on him.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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She is still the central point of that picture, and it was her who denied him without as much as giving a reason, or reprimanding his parents.
Do you wash your hands of crimes committed in your name?

whiskeyfur

1 year, 2 months ago

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Do you absolve the parents of their role when what they forced on the child fail, and THEY ignore him for THIER failure?

Do you admit someone into your family/organization who is thoroughly unfit for it, knowing if you did they would damage or destroy it?

She's giving him a chance and a path to learn those lessons his parents failed to teach him. If you can't see that then you are acting as blind as he is.

When everyone's fate is on the line, she can't afford luxuries such as time for him to learn the lessons he needs to learn. It's time for the school of hard knocks method, or everyone is just dead.

Her hand is being forced in this too, or did you forget some of her fellow gods are already dead and corrupted?

Labyrias

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"	whiskeyfur wrote:
	Do you absolve the parents of their role when what they forced on the child fail, and THEY ignore him for THIER failure?

I do not. But she didnt resolve the problem, did she?
She didnt confront the parents with what they have done, did she?
She even refused to properly explain what he lacks, literally making it seem like its not the parent's but HIS fault cause HE lacks something like HE is damaged goods.

"	whiskeyfur wrote:
	Do you admit someone into your family/organization who is thoroughly unfit for it, knowing if you did they would damage or destroy it?

No, but i also do not go out of my way to destroy their life by behaving completely unhinged, refusing to explain myself, leaving them guilt tripping, letting their family think that they are trash, and then blinding them when they spin out of control because of it.
Oh and probably i also would not avoid to correct the parent's behavior that has lead up to this.

whiskeyfur wrote:

She's giving him a chance and a path to learn those lessons his parents failed to teach him. If you can't see that then you are acting as blind as he is.
When everyone's fate is on the line, she can't afford luxuries such as time for him to learn the lessons he needs to learn. It's time for the school of hard knocks method, or everyone is just dead.
Her hand is being forced in this too, or did you forget some of her fellow gods are already dead and corrupted?

You destroy a life with your actions, chase the individual into a completely destructive behavior, subdue and break them, and then give them a chance to serve you properly?
Sounds like your average slave trader. Not only will they end you, they will keep on going till you thank them for it from the bottom of your heart.
No.
Thank you, but no.
You may claim that the ends justify the means, but you do not get to pose like some sort of saint in the process.
You are taking lives and converting them into little more than throw away tools in your battle. Your existence might depend on it and thus you find it justifiable, but the atrocities you have committed are self-evident.
And despite that, you have a character that acts like she is washing her hands of all the responsibilities of her own actions.
"I really dont want to do this"
"you leave me no choice"
Sorry.
Thats just a despicable, delusional personality of someone who cant even own up to the net sum of her own actions.

And thats my opinion. If you disagree, you are obviously free to have your own view and interpretation of her character naturally.

whiskeyfur

1 year, 1 month ago

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It's also obvious you have your own opinion, your hill that you've chosen to die on.

What you're ignoring is she's making hard choices that has to be made now because time is almost up.

She doesn't have time to 'do it right'. How many gods are dead and corrupted already? Too many. And sitting around waiting for one guy to get his act straight is not a luxury she can afford.

Leaders are in the position they are to make the decisions no one wants to make. He has to shape up, NOW. Not later, not under any kind of guidance, and she can't devote all of her attention to him which is the 'right' way to do it.

That takes time. Time she doesn't have. Time NO one in that world has.

Hate her now, but ultimately she's doing what she believes will get the best results because if that fails? They're dead.

The chaos does not take prisoners nor accept peace. It's killed or be killed. That is what she's up against, and putting up with the antics of one spoiled child, she doesn't have time for.

You are too focused on ONE character, and ignoring the threat to the world as a whole right now.

MickiTheFox

1 year, 2 months ago

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very true! XD

ImaginaryVoice

1 year, 2 months ago

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Oh. Thought she was gonna do something else!
Hope he's got a good sense of hearing and smelling with those big nostrils and long floppy ears.

AleTails

1 year, 2 months ago

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I can feel Nigel's desperation 😣
Oh boy... I'm so sorry for you =(

TailBit

1 year, 2 months ago

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Interesting twisted twist.

winkin

1 year, 2 months ago

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Very unexpected! :D

All those people saying she's evil. *chuckles* ^^ If she is 'life incarnate' then yeah, that comes with the unpleasant parts to. Every little or big downside that comes from being alive. They suck, but are still likely leagues better than all manner of other fantasy setting alternatives. O.O

After all, this probably isn't permanent and if the situation were flipped and Rah'Jan found him first. o.o Yeah, not seeing is super unpleasant but he's still alive and has some chance at redemption here. :D So I'm rooting for him even if he can be a butthead. ^^;

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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Amen for a sane commenter!
Life is never "fair" and it never "owes" anybody anything, as most of the comment section is turned to be adamant about.
Live has all the ups and downs, like a rollercoaster, and bad things help us grow a character.
It's basics of story writing!
You have a character, you throw issues at them, make them overcome the issues, be it inner or external, let them grow and become stronger.

I'm trully interested how it will all turn out, Zummeng has such a superb way of twirling the storyline.

winkin

1 year, 2 months ago

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Yeah! This is why we see Death/The Grim Reaper represented all the time, death is an equalizer, death is 'fair' at a cosmic level, and because it's also inevitable we can hope for something 'kind' or at least 'patiently easy going' to greet us after life is done.

But we never see Life/The Happy Sower, because if we did we would probably hate them as they seemingly 'favored' one person over another or callously allow horrors to continue to occur.

And yep, if she had just seen him and gone. "OH! Good you're here, so I've forgiven you and I need you to forgive me in order to become a Guardian now." :D That wouldn't have worked out even if he did somehow accept it, would have been bad writing. ^^;

We just need to be happy that it's The Tree of Life involved in this and not Evie The Goddess of Sweaters. O.O She would have cursed him with a permanent uncomfortable tag brushing somehow through the fur on the back of his neck. *shudders* We must knit in supplication now and praise The Eternal Orange for her mercy in permitting this realities continued existence of comfortable winter wear.

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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Lmao, oh nyooo, not the tag! XD
That would be trully evil...
But if the sweater is hand knitted?
Then it will be forever-itchy, no matter how many times you wash it!

winkin

1 year, 2 months ago

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Not if it is properly blessed by She-Who-Munches-All-Chocolate! >:D

This can also be prevented using white vinegar, soak the sweater in cold water with just a few table spoons, then with a good quality hair conditioner you massage the sweater, let it sit, rinse completely and press the water out gently, let it dry flat before putting it into a ziplock and setting it in the freezer overnight. :D

This should soften the offending fibers while the freezing will keep shorter ones from sticking out. Does work 'most' of the time but yeah some knits are just inherently itchy but that's what undershirts are for anyway. ;3

Thank you, may your knits be even and your purls unblemished. ^^

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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That's an interesting technique!
Never heard of it.
Doubt I'll remember it, but maybe I'll find your comment one day, when I'll need my new sweater softened. ^^

May your sweater and other wool-knitted clothes be forever soft and comforting!

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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You seem to forget that Nigel is included in life cause he is alive.
And he does not owe her anything either other than grief.

Life remembers when its harmed. So did Nigel.
And now he is harmed yet again.
Do you know what you call something that keeps on harming you?
You call it an enemy.

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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Yes, he's alive, like everybody else.
Which solidifies my point - he's not the only one.
Luna has a whole world to care for, to try and guide despite the fact that nobody listens.
Nigel is but one of many, with just a potential to become something more.

He's alive, and aside from parents abandoning him, nothing trully bad happened to him.
He could've stayed at his home, even though parents didn't treat him like he was there (then again, they did same with Toby, before switching Nigel for his younger brother), he could've listened to Luna or tried to stick with someone else in his life but he persistantly CHOSE to be alone.

She didn't really harm him, it was his parents' doing, and his own choices, she didn't accept him as a Guardian, cuz he wasn't ready.
And now she's giving him a reality check, a really harsh one, but given Luna's soft nature, I doubt the blindness will be permanent, more likely he'll either gain a new way of seeing or he'll get his sight back after understanding at least SOMETHING.

He and his parents are more deserving of being called his "enemy".
Not that Luna's actions are all-round right, she has alot of flaws, which makes the story interesting.
Yet her actions does not justify all the hate she's getting.

I get the vibe that people who hate on her, has same childish, entitled vibe as Nigel does right now.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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From birth on she was a presence that literally pressed her own needs and wishes onto him.
Even right now, he is being blinded cause she needs her to be a soldier.
He is being molded and forced into a role, in part against his will.

To stand up against that is childish?
Ever dictator, every chapter that we refer to as the darkest in human history, had one of these great visionaires who wanted a unified planet, a utopia, a solution to all problems, in short: A greater need and goal which demanded sacrifices to achieve.

What you see in the comments is just two sides of the coin:
Those who buy into the dictator's words, and those who do not.

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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I see that you're only focusing on one side of the spectrum, where Luna is a manipulating and sceming mastermind, twisted on making everyone around her a "soldier" for her cause, against their will, even if it was shown time and time again, that she values "free will" of others more than anything.
It's your choice to view this story in such way, I'm not inclined to prove that you're "wrong", or that I'm ultimately "right".

We still yet to see further the whole story.
What I've seen so far, was that Luna acted with care and compassion to everyone, untill they rejected her help and care.
She spoke to Nigel, asking him if being Guardian is what he trully wants, maybe he want to become someone else?
Which doesn't fit with narrative of her "only wanting to make him a soldier for her cause".
She knows he can be much more than he is right now, blinded by rage and spite, and wants him to finally see the world around him.

Does she do a good job being a Deity and saving everyone, or showing every being a "better way"?
No she doesn't, she's not an allseeing and allmighty goddess, many envision her to be, she has issues, lots of flaws, but even more care and desire to save what she can, even if her struggle is futile.
She lacks understanding of mortals, we've learned as much.
Maybe Nigel's gift of Vision is what she trully needs to finally help HER change?

We're yet to see.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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I wrote a lengthy response here, but i ended up deleting it.
I do not wish to take your joy from neither the character nor the story.

In my personal opinion her intent might be the best of the best and holiest of holy, but her methods of doing so, and the constant self victimizing as she does it... that does not work with me.

Well whatever.
Sorry, i think i probably dragged this way deeper than it has to be.

NeksusCat

1 year, 2 months ago

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It's okay, I only wish people wouldn't get THAT heated about a character, when we've yet to see the whole picture, and see both sides, not just one.

Yeah, I understand the point of wanting people to take better care of others, to do better.
But yet again, Life is not so simple.
It's full of struggles and misunderstandings.
Hope you'll find your own joy in this story as well.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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You mix up ego and the concept of life. That does not work.
Life is harsh, but life is equal to all it encompasses because everything is subject to survival of the fittest. There are no exceptions and there are no backdoor deals. Its the closest thing to an universal law, and its absolutely irreconcilable with the idea of some avatar that goes around and does things how she sees fit.

Its two opposing concepts.
You either have a universal rule that treats everyone equally.
Or you have a fake nuka cola deer that poses as a god, trying to rule over everything on her own behest.

Trufla

1 year, 2 months ago

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Wow. The Tree takes "tough love" to whole new heights, though with Nigel's personality I have to wonder if he'll actually come away from this new experience with the lesson that She intended for him to learn.

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1 year, 2 months ago

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ah yes blinding a hero will so help fighting chaos whats next "to teach you a lesson lets take your arms away!"

Badmunky64

1 year, 2 months ago

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I didn't 'see' this coming

x0Nothing0x

1 year, 2 months ago

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yep, this is going to backfire horribly

chronocrosser

1 year, 2 months ago

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Personally I love Nigel. I think he thinks he wants to be a guardian or knight but I think he really wants his families love. He's like Zuko from Avatar. But his families love wasn't worth having, not after the way they treated him. And I'm including Toby I kinda feel if Toby really loved Nigel, He would have put in more of an effort to help him or talk to him, but we will have to wait and see about that I guess.

Kinda ironic he will become a knight and all the joy he would have felt from becoming one will be overshadowed by the pain of loosing his sight, that and he won't be able to see the faces of the people who doubted him. Kinda a hollow victory.

I hope Nigel gets his sight back eventually. And I still hope Nigel gets a happier ending then the other knight's. I feel he should have it.

I always wondered why Nigel had a staff I know he is poor but you'd think they'd give him something better for the road. when he was trained in the sword. Now I know he needs it to get around. I hope the theory of Nigel becoming the a Seer is true I truly believe he needs his own supernatural gift to make up for his shitty childhood. And the staff weapon might suggest wizard.

And If Nigel has to lose his sight I hope Luna has to do something drastic too Miralle ass well it's not fair that Nigel gets the blunt misfortune of the knights. Especially if Miralle is going to be an ass to him after this like I think she will be.

I think Luna went way too far and if anyone needs a harsh lesson she does. I feel as if she is trying to manipulate Nigel rather than going thru the work of helping him. I hope Luna actually goes to the effort of making it up to Nigel and don't mean some empty words I mean action.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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If the story telling makes sense instead of going for clichés, then no.
The most sensible thing for Nigel to do based on his personality, would be to willingly join chaos and end the enemy that keeps on harming him over and over again

VMachiavelli

1 year, 2 months ago

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and prove the tree of life's point. meaning everything up until now has made sense. nigel deserved it.

it's not the tree's fault his family did this to him. she didn't ask them to, the story made it clear that they did this as a family status thing. and this is it backfiring. it's unfortunate for the kid. but if he were truly worth whatever a guardian position is, she'd know. so far, nigel seems like a bitter little bundle of vices unable to move on in life. granted, some of that makes sense given his situation. but failure is failure.

Denton

1 year, 2 months ago

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Not really. what we've seen of chaos makes me think its not that simple. maybe THEY are right for all we know, we only got their point of view yet, and guardians seems to fall to the other side pretty easily ...

VMachiavelli

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@ Denton

the point is the framing is obvious and this generation seems to only want to flip the script for whatever reason and find a twist in morality that there is no evidence of existing. so far it's pretty cut and dry. egotistical kid doesn't get what he wants but then gets what he deserves. is it still sad given the circumstances? sure. but that doesn't put him in the right, doesn't put who is so far clearly the force of good in the wrong and it doesn't mean you're being set up for a hook in the storytelling. what I'm excited to read for is the how, not so much the why or what. that bit is pretty clear so far. and hey, I can be wrong eventually. but if I am, it's in no way because something is obviously 'off' so far. cause it's not. the lines aren't thick enough for you to read between just yet.

Denton

1 year, 2 months ago

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Maybe the framing is too obvious and tired and "this generation" ("ok boomer" by the way, wtf xD? Also probably barking at the wrong tree with that.) now expect it to not be what it seems?

No twist in morality nor any hint?

We saw earlier a knight being converted by the embodiment of chaos with some memories that clearly disturb him (and chaos magic ooze that may or may not be mind control or just enhancement). chaos guy can lie ... or he doesnt need to because truth hurts more. (since we didn't see what he saw, its NOT cut and dry.)

Is the guy a spiteful asshole ?
Certainly and with reasons, how misguided he may be it makes SENSE to him and by the looks of it, some readers as well. (witch tells you how good of a character he is as we can relate to him ... even though he had millions smarter, spiteful and hateful other ways to act)

Is he in the right ?
no, so what? People can not be in the right and their antagonists be in the wrong too. (not saying she is one in the comic, but she certainly is his for this part of the story in his mind)

I personally think he's owed come catharsis and to exact comeuppance upon his family and to an extent to the godess and i'd gladly see both at least realizing how fucked up they made him by their meddling and or inaction.

Because for now its "i'm sorry you dont see things like you should see" witch, by nigel account and mine, IS bullshit.

Does he deserves punishment? yes.
Does he deserve what he gets? Absolutely not, no one does, that why we don't do that shit, thats called torture.

He sure deserved a place in an orphanage earlier and that failing later loads of prison time but thats a current theme with gods, their punishments are always either way above the crime or way too late. (Medusa comes to mind in greek Mythology amongts others.)

Now the story will proceed how it has to and i'll be thrilled to discover the definitive answer.

But the comic is more than 100 pages long now so its wrong to assume there isnt any wiggle room for interpretation with the info we got. and its fun even if its wrong.

By the way, people can read the meaning of a blue chair in a painting. thats how thin the line had to be to start weaving theories.

Tldr: The story's fine,i'm a big fan and i'm invested in it. i'm just having fun making my own supputations and find interesting to argue about character choices witch are questionable at best imo.

Teko

1 year, 2 months ago

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She's the Tree, she can see pathways that these kids can't. I'm fascinated to see where this goes.

Xiden

1 year, 2 months ago

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Wow he went from being blinded by hatred to well.... actually being blinded by hatred.

DreamGod

1 year, 2 months ago

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Damn, that was unexpected...I trust the Tree, and I know that what she's doing is for his own good and the safety of the world...but that's still pretty rough! She's the Tree for a reason though, and I believe her methods are just, if not a little drastic!

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ DreamGod

Is she tho?
She is literally torturing him into a shape that she wants her to be.
She wants a knight, a specific thing, a specific personality, and she is literally trying to torture and groom him into that.

Absolutely nothing about this is for Nigel's own good.

phunkiezero

1 year, 2 months ago

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She's not trying to "Shape" anyone into anything that she wants, she's just giving out a punishment (although a rather harsh one) because he refuses to change the way he sees things. She never once in the comic so far forcefully , or even manipulatively, got anyone to do what she wanted. She always let people have their free will, gave them options, and told them her opinion and recommendations. Whether they took her recommendations or not is their choice, like Tristan chose to stay with his shitty "friend" group despite the tree telling him that they're just taking advantage of him, and now he's still a thief grown up because of it.

If this guy would have actually listened to her words and started thinking for himself, instead of deciding that she ruined his life by refusing to make him a guardian and keep building this hatred for all these years, he could have probably been made a guardian, like his brother is now.
Instead he's trying to steal a holy scarf meant for the knights, fueled by hate and envy that's been building for years. That was his decision, so this is his punishment.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ phunkiezero

"	phunkiezero wrote:
	She's not trying to "Shape" anyone into anything

"	phunkiezero wrote:
	she's just giving out a punishment (although a rather harsh one) because he refuses to change

Read your own words.

phunkiezero

1 year, 2 months ago

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Labyrias wrote:

"	phunkiezero wrote:
	She's not trying to "Shape" anyone into anything

"	phunkiezero wrote:
	she's just giving out a punishment (although a rather harsh one) because he refuses to change

Read your own words.

" `because refuses to change` the way he sees things", don't take what I've written down out of context.

It's his fault he's decided to keep being Scornful and choosing to hate and cast blame to the tree that he didn't become a guardian, and thinks that it's her fault his life was ruined as a kid, when it's his parent's fault for casting him aside like they did.
Instead of going on his own way, he let anger control him.

The tree didn't directly tell him the directions, it didn't tell him that he needed to do [This] to be a guardian, he needed to work on it himself. Nor did the tree step in once he was angry with her while he was still young, she didn't tell him what to do or how to do it.
If the tree was trying to shape him into what she wanted, she would have done so while he was still young, while it's the easiest to do so. She had multiple chances to, yet she let him go on his own free will, and this is what his free will led him to do, it's his fault for keeping this hate fueled for so long.

Labyrias

1 year, 2 months ago

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@ phunkiezero

He was carrying her on his back from the moment he was born.
He was being groomed to her knight, her soldier, and he tried to fit the role just to be betrayed twice over without as much as given a reason.
You say he choose to be scornful. Everyone alive would choose to be scornful after literally satisfying every requirement, then denied regardless without a reason, and then being disowned for it.

There is nothing alive on this planet that would not be scornful after that.
Not you.
Not me.
Not anyone else.
And what does she do upon confrontation?
She blinds him on top while playing the victim how she doesnt want to do this, like its not her fault, she is being forced to do it. Not even having the spine to own up to what she is doing.

Thats my two cents, and i'll stop here.
I shouldnt have started this argument in the first place cause i do not intend to take the joy of the story and character from you.
Enjoy it as you like and love.
Its just kinda baffling to me that ppl would choose to blame a child for rejecting inconsistent grooming and conditioning, even after he is directly blinded cause momma nuka deer needs sum soldiers.

DreamGod

1 year, 2 months ago

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