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Language is Everything...Literally

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I once freaked my dad out one day when I was taking him to the doctors to have his kidney stones treated. One the way there we had to stop for gas. I went in to pay and a large chubby guy was there who seemed so defeated yet still maintaining his joy. I said "fill it up on 3, please" to which he said "tell ya what, if you'd smack me over the head with something heavy, I'll do it for you" to which I then responded "damn dude, someone doesn't like their job" to which he replied eh, just done with my life it seems. I said to him "no matter what dude, you gotta stay positive, I promise it's there", and to that he oddly agreed despite his complaining. I left, pumped my gas and off the the hospital I went. I told my father this story to which he replied "that's the problem with youth today, so pessimistic, so easy to roll over and be defeated" I had actually agreed with him for once, for the first time in my life it felt like I could talk to my father. As time went on we somehow wandered down a conversation about religion of all things. My father being a devout baptist christian he whole heartedly believes that "God" or what we know of it literally wrote the Bible. I had to correct him some what, not enough to offend him but enough to challenge his common sense. I ask, "the Bible you have, who is the printing manufacturer on it?"
to which he replied the brand it was made in. I then ask, who commanded you to do your job?. He claimed "I do". I said, "what is your bosses name at work?". He then said "Mr. Thompson", to which I said, "I thought you were your the one who commanded you to do your job". He didn't like that answer. I said, "dad, think about cavemen, at one point in time in the days of adam (atom) and eve (hiva) did you ever think that there were first generation cave men running about? " to which he replied, "well, I guess so, you got to get started somewhere", and then I asked, "well, at least one caveman has to jump off a cliff first to know that our bodies can't fly like the angels, right?", and he replied, "yea, I guess that's true, but what are you getting at?". I said, "Language is Everything, if the other first generation of people weren't around to tell that guy about not jumping off of cliffs how would they know", he quickly said "what does this have to do with the bible?" I say "I'm getting to that, in order for people to tell people for ever NOT to jump off of the cliff then perhaps the best solution would be to put up a sign with words on it, A Warning you would say." and my dad said "gotcha, they had their first form of language", and naturally I said "Exactly!".
                    
                         (Keep in mind most of this is exaggerated, the actual conversation was way sloppier.)
  
       My father then said, "yea, but don't you still believe that God wrote the bible". I replied, "Kinda, but what is your definition of God?", this got him a bit mad, not furious but enough to make him think I was denouncing his faith. He remained cautious in his voice and then asked "the God of the universe, the one that created it all". I say, " well you have to really wrap your mind around what that really means, I mean, do you know what it feels like to be in control of the whole of the universe, looking after every grain of grass, feeding every starving person, sparking every type of intelligence" he stops me and says "whoah whao!!!, too big, that doesn't even make sense", I took back a sec to catch my breath and said "if you really beleive in god, you have to consider everything", for example, your bible was written by a machine, correct? He said "no it was written by God ", I said, "yes, but there was a printing companies label on it correct?....let me give you an example, man told the first generation not to jump off the cliff, the 2nd generation invented a sign, the next invented paper to pass out those instructions, those instructions were turned into books, then into information and then later machines, each form of language that is created becomes more and more of "the God"" He then stops with a bit of horror in his mind and says "whew....that's a bit over my head".
Without trying to talk to much more weird into him, I simply say "that's the definition of Deus Ex Machina" , my father being very old school asks "whatsat mean?", "and said "it means God in the machine"....

   we arrived at the hospital, very quitely, I got out of the car and said "I'm sorry dad, I know all that was weird, do not let me step on your faith at all, I'm not saying I don't beleive in god, I'm just saying I got a bit bigger journey with that as an answer and..."  he stopped me from talking and said "no, don't worry about, you beleive what you beleive , I'm not sure if any of us will ever have the right answer"...to which I proudly said "thank you pal, I think it's good to have faith in something". I dropped him off, we had a few more nostalgic moments about when I was a child and maybe some chuckles I poke at him, he may be a dummy but he's a good man. and I had to leave him there for the day to have his procedure done.


   Life really does have a way of "Speaking" to you  if that makes sense.
Language really is everything, and if that weren't true, then how are you reading this experience I had,
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little something weird but it's a thing that happened in my life and I thought it be fun
to capture it in a short story, hope you all dig it.
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Added: 3 years, 4 months ago
 
Charliemon
3 years, 4 months ago
I actually read this all. interesting at least he seems open minded too. first time and last time I spoke to my dad about god he said he didn't know if he believed any more or not and he was a man who went to mass every Sunday. a few days later he took his own life that was in 2009. just interesting
neokat
3 years, 4 months ago
wow, that one is harsh, I'm sorry to hear that. My dad has always been a bit stubborn but not really stupid,
just set in his ways. This day and age it's really easy to throw a wrench in the gears of logic with people,
just seems that I"m seeing it more and more as time goes on. Can't really say he's open minded, but he does
admire respect from one person to another, and if you learn how to show that respect to others you often
get it back in return. Thanks a bunch for stopping by to check out my little jumble of words on this side of the internet,
hope you really enjoyed.
Shadowwalk
3 years, 4 months ago
Wow.  That's DEEP!
Otlan
3 years, 4 months ago
Damn...talk about something tonthink about...I hope you and your father hugged each other, at least once.

Could one consider a Deus Ex Machina to be a Miracule then? I looked up the deffention just to be sure, and it seems the two words share a common point.
R4CCKY
3 years, 4 months ago
It's quite a perspective.  And I too asked who wrote the bible, men wrote it.  Many men over a long time.  All for a reason. Maybe faith maybe something else.  All things given. It's better to believe in something.
SassyAfterDark
3 years, 4 months ago
I don't believe in a god. I don't believe there is no god either. But either way I can't think about the concept for too long. My family is so fragmented that I no longer have anyone to rebound ideas off of. At least not in person.

But on a similar note, my mother has been remarkably introspective the last half decade. She hasn't always been the best mother and at times has been flat-out abusive and neglectful to all four of us. It wasn't until her last big breakup that she had her breakthrough. She's been considerably more receptive and enthusiastic about our want, our needs and our aspirations and whatnot. Probably one of the biggest examples; She loves the Tyrannosaurus rex, but any time the conversation of dinosaurs comes up, she prefaces her opening statement with "Even though dinosaurs aren't real...". Every time.

Last time, she made a remark in the middle about how she doesn't think they existed, "but if it turns out they did..." and so on and so on. And we had this conversation about the T. rex feather theory and her whole world just lit up. It was a genuinely cool thing to see her react in such a way.
And don't get me wrong, faith had little to do with this, it was more her own tunnel vision making her into a despicable person, and now that everything has slowed down she sees things from new angles.

I don't know what my dad believes and frankly I don't care. He can eat shit and die in a pile of red ringed Xbox 360s for all I care. That's a story for another day. If I ever contact him again, it'll only be to borrow his smoker to make some homemade SlimJims.
neokat
3 years, 4 months ago
yea, sometimes when life starts to get ahead of you, you really do have to step back and see the gears working quite the opposite of what you were taught. Thanks a bunch for sharing.
zebadiah
3 years, 4 months ago
As I have told a few the Bible was dictated by God and written by man and since man is flawed the bible is flawed, not to mention that it has been translated multiple times over the centuries so no one knows what it originally said since there are no originals left
BillySquirrel
3 years, 4 months ago
When someone says "Whoa that's too much!" it shows how narrow their focus is. The universe is potentially actually endless. It is expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light. There are more galaxies in the observable universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth. Our one lone galaxy alone has 100 to 400 billion stars and easily ten times as many planets, and countless lesser objects. And we are modest as galaxies go. Only 100,000 to 200,000 light years across. Outside of the observable universe is more universe. Most of which we will never see because of the speed of light vs the speed of expansion. If God is indeed God, and God made all of the universe, then how much greater is God? How much must it observe? How much must it influence? Churches like using words like "forever" and "everything" but they never give it the proper context. There is more out there than a human mind can comfortably contemplate. And far more than we could ever outright know without going insane. That is what it means to fear God. Not because of what it may do, but because of what it is. The sheer scale of the thing that could create all of this. And the profound arrogance it takes to declare one religion over another the "only way" without ever knowing where it came from is equally massive in it's ignorance.We are barely a flash in our own galaxy, and unregistered at all to the universe at large. No one can say with any certainty that they know what God is.
neokat
3 years, 4 months ago
well, if you want to get real, I think God is just as far as the mind can fathom it. I think that god is quite literally found
right between the ears, and I don't think anyone can venture any further then that, or at least not any further without
any form of comfort. When you Die....there is nothing, before you were born, again nothing. I still believe in reincarnation,
but to really acknowledge that at one point in your life you literally had no intelligence, middle of your life your full
of crazy thoughts and theories, then suddenly back to nothing... that is the place where I think "God" exists. I know it's
not a happy answer, but I think it's probably the closest I'll have in my life time...and I'm actually content with that.
Norithics
2 years, 3 months ago
What an interesting exchange.
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