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Ah, The AI Discussion Returns....

So I've gone on record stating AI generation is a tool. A tool with moral and legal complications given how AI "learns", but a tool none the less. Now you're entitled to your opinion on the matter but anything that allows more people to get to create more art, or allows people who before couldn't create art to create art is a net positive overall, even if I'm not particularly a fan.

It does take an amount of skill to generate prompts that come as consistent as the ones which have made their way to IB. Its a very different skill than digital art. Same as how digital art is a different skill from traditional art (though admittedly the two do have more in common than digital art has with AI generation) It's a skill that I don't have and don't have the patience to learn. It's art via programming. Which is, in concept pretty neat.

So, in short. Artists: you are not being replaced AI is not taking over. AI is allowing more people into the creative space. Prompt providers: I don't hate you. And if you intend to make commercial art get permission from the artists you train your AI on. This is my opinion

THAT SAID: My personal opinion on the art generated..... AI is really good at rendering.... whew boy though even some of the best set ups still manage to pop out some nightmare fuel once in a while that clearly show that the machines do not understand all the basic rules yet. They often remind me of like preteen artists who've figured out shading and gradients, but have never looked at an anatomy chart or think they understand perspective and foreshortening, but clearly they don't (I might still be guilty of this)

and the odd thing that made me want to talk about this in the first place. AI art right now is surprisingly recognizable. Even in thumbnail form I've been able to regularly identify if an image was AI generated (over the past few days I've been wrong once) and I'm actively trying to figure out what elements are making them so... well so easily identified.

Anyhow afternoon ramble over.

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Balmung

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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AI has a recognizable style if you let it do its own thing.

The easiest tells are that it doesn't really understand anything. Real things like houses, streets, cars, computers, etc have particular purposes, locations, details and so on we innately understand. AI paints like an alien that saw a scene in the human world but just has no clue what any of those things are. It's likely to remember cars have a wheel, but not what's it for, and how are all the controls normally arranged for a human user.

But it can also act as an assist tool to an artist and that's far less easy to recognize.

ReoDemonDays

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Balmung

I don't disagree.

But that doesn't come across in the thumbnail form, since the details aren't clearly visible .After a little comparing I think the giveaway (on IB at least) is the over rendering. It's not a predominant aspect of most artists on IB. So when that's readily apparent before clicking the image: immediately suspicious

Phantasmagore

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Edited 11 months, 2 weeks ago by Owner

I'm of the opinion that, clearly, AI isn't going anywhere, and we must live/work with that fact. It can certainly be a tool in an artist's kit, especially for developing concepts and reference.

That being said, I do feel the frustration that a lot of artists are feeling right now, where the popular pages on Inkbunny (which play a role in controlling how much attention an artist is able to get on this site) are basically flooded with AI-generated images that can be produced and shared en masse for far less effort than an artist has to put in to produce a single image.

Truthfully, I feel like the novelty of AI art is going to wear out eventually, and then the ways in which most AI-generated images tend to be a bit samey are probably going to start to become more apparent and reduce its appeal, but in the short term, it can definitely be frustrating. The ethical issues of how the AI actually work by appropriating artists' work without their knowledge or consent certainly doesn't help.

Balmung

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Phantasmagore

I think it's a novelty right now. A few people finally figured out how to make good images with SD, and to do so within IB rules.

I've been around for a while and fads are a periodic thing. I remember when MLP was new suddenly half of everything was ponies. Now they still exist, but they're not nearly as overwhelming.

Phantasmagore

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Balmung

I agree. I think it will fade over time, and people will probably start to use it more for concept development than for producing actual finished pieces.

I feel there's a lot more regulation that needs to happen (not just in terms of art generation, but AI in general), but that's a whole other set of issues.

There's a long-winded ethical discussion about creative ownership, consent, and the idea of art as a whole there, but frankly that's a whole ass can of worms that wouldn't really bring any benefit to get into.

Balmung

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Phantasmagore

I think the long term future is artists using it as a tool.

Right now we have a division -- artists draw the way they always did, and a bunch of people experimenting with prompts.

I think the future is an artist using a combination of sketches, AI, ControlNet, Photoshop and maybe even custom training. Where somebody writing prompts has to roll with what the AI spits out, an actual artist could fix defects, generate big works in pieces, and guide the AI to generate exactly what they want.

Vixel

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ Balmung

Photoshop/photobashing has been critical to my AI experiments so far for exactly that reason. Agreed with your take on the fusion future, but AI capabilities are still evolving fast, so what it can do (or not do) today isn't a fixed point.

I have mixed opinions on machine generated art in general, but it's pretty powerful and here to stay, so I think it's important to adapt. Artists have a leg up since they've studied composition, visual storytelling etc and can infuse that knowledge into their AI generated works.

I love Reo's take on why the AI art thumbnails are so easy to spot. Was wondering about that too! I agree it seems to be over-rendering / extreme contrast. A human artist might be more selective and manage a piece's pattern, contrast or lighting to control mood or guide the eye.

JackDesert

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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I think I'm going to use AI to make Intentional Nightmare Fuel for fun. I will not remotely call it my art... just my nightmares made evident XD

ReoDemonDays

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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@ JackDesert

doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdotdoit!!!!

Eviscerator

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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I love the AI nightmare fuel. It's frequently hilarious.

Byrth

11 months, 2 weeks ago

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Until AI is being ethically used, it's only being used by laggards and vultures. The idea of a tool being used morally and legally is irrelevant, because no one will, ever. The issue is that it has no place as "art" but every horny furfag is gonna use it and praise it for giving them free JO material as opposed to supporting artists or learning to express themselves through something that wasn't created through theft, because its "FREE". Basically unregulated piracy put into place by fair use which every asshat has been using to ripoff media since it was put into place. I can never abide AI in any form as an artist because it is a dis-service to everyone who has worked to become one. Even people that use Photoshop can draw (I hope), but a generative tool is not expression, it is data input. I have never been fooled by an AI image, because the people doing that input lack imagination and creativity. The "tool" can't makeup for that, but non-artists either don't care or don't have enough discernment or curiosity to see how inspid it is.

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