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I figured there'd be a slim chance that someone on the mod/admin team might read this, so I thought I'd toss my own thoughts into the mix.

The AI art situation has been getting a little silly and it really needs a category of its own if it's here to stay. Something separate from the usual front page/search results.

I'm sure you've noticed, but the community hasn't been entirely happy with the decision to allow AI generated art on the site. I understand the reasoning behind it, and even though I'm not an AI supporter I'm personally alright with it being on Inkbunny. But something needs to change given all of the friction that is being caused by that allowance. Yes, blocking AI tags works, and you can even completely hide their existence on the site if you toggle that option on, but I don't think that's a surefire solution for the entire userbase.

Personally I have a rather extensive list of tags blocked for one reason or another, but I do still click on blocked uploads every so often to check out the tags as a sort of.. 'screening process', if that makes any sense. But the mass amount of AI generated art that has shown up on the site has invalidated that in a big way. It's a minor personal example, but I know many others here have their own problems with how things are being handled right now.

If AI generation is here to stay, I do truly think that having a separate page for it listed somewhere around the 'Latest, Popular, etc...' section might be the best way to go about it. I know I'm not a web developer and I understand adding something like that might be a gargantuan undertaking, but as things stand right now it just doesn't seem either feasible nor fair to traditional artists to keep things as they currently are.

And that's that. Just my thoughts on the matter, hopefully any of that made sense. I might not be as chatty as I used to be on here but I'm still keeping a pretty active eye on things. I consider Inkbunny to be my home, and it has taken a worrying slide lately that I truly wish it can balance out.

Stay hopeful everyone, and rawr rawr rawr. <3

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Added:	1 month, 1 week ago 31 Mar 2024 20:31 CEST

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Kadm

1 month, 1 week ago

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Thanks for your thoughts.

We've got a huge backlog of AI stuff to moderate, and that's really muddying the waters on the issue. So we're taking actions to address that along with just generally building up our staff to increase responsiveness. We got 91 applicants for Community Moderator duty, and it'll take a bit of time to filter through them. In the meantime we're working on tool improvements to make staff more responsive in general, and to let us better communicate even relatively small changes to the community.

All of that isn't instant. You're aware having participated in the first recruitment that it's not fast. This time around we're definitely moving quicker with the lessons learned there. But this all still takes time and effort.

Once we've address the existing deficiencies that detract from everything, we can look at structural changes if they still feel needed. Things like making keyword blocking more clear for users and setting it up during new account creation, making more clear the mandatory tags, and maybe we could make it so some tags behave differently for thumbnail blocking.

But for now, we'll work through the issues as we have bandwidth, and keep going forward. We've been making huge strides in improving things since 2020, and things will start to be far more visible as we go.

Harzy

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Kadm

Thank you for the speedy response! (I'm continuously curious about how you keep an eye on journals like this that pop up, but that's a conversation for another time. Inkbunny backend stuff has always fascinated me.)

I've definitely noticed that things have been improving around here, but I know the influx of new submissions generated by the policy change has made things maybe a little precarious as of late. But the efforts haven't gone unnoticed! I know that once things have settled down and new moderators have been set up things will likely become smoother, and a new account setup experience would do wonders for a lot of the current issues.

Though I still think some sort of separation of content would be ideal I understand that something like that would be a far ways off and possibly not what you're going for. I trust IB staff at this point though, even if communication has been a little iffy in the past things have gotten dramatically better recently and I expect it to only improve in the future. I'll be looking forward to seeing whatever comes of all this even if it's not the exact outcome I'm looking for.

Smolfoks

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Kadm

Yall seem flooded and backlogged enough as it is without adding another layer of stuff to deal with. Is the soulless AI gooning material really worth it? Do the right thing and disallow it from the site as a whole.

Kadm

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Smolfoks

The decision is made (regarding it being here), and so I will work to ensure that it's handled as best we can regardless. We are underwater now, but I don't think we should base our decision on allowing or disallowing content based on the administrative demand. What if someone devises a clever way to effectively DDOS our Support staff via workload in some other way? Should we remove photos, or music, if it presents an issue?

We'll staff and retool as appropriate to correct the issues that we're facing, and if we want to re-evaluate AI works at that point, we can, without the knowledge that it's a failure on our part leading to the problem. And if we were to disallow it at that point, the measures we took are not wasted, but simply help bolster us in the future and lower the burden for all of us that run Inkbunny. These steps need to be taken regardless of other actions.

axlegear

1 month, 1 week ago

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Anti-AI argument #453,760 logged

Harzy

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ axlegear

Less of an anti-AI argument of more of a way to try and reach a good middle ground that works for everyone.

Smolfoks

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ axlegear

Its almost like most reputable members of the site are against it and have valid points and are being largely ignored

Threeinone

1 month, 1 week ago

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(I have a bias against AI art in general so take that into consideration reading forward.)
An issue I'm seeing right now is just the mass flood of AI art, like I've blocked it sure, but what about new people to the site who don't know how that feature works or who don't understand it's AI? It's drowning out traditional artists completely with pages and pages of junk.

Before the AI flood I refused to use the tag or user submission blocking feature cause my stance was that any art could be valuable and maybe even if I didn't like the content I would end up finding an artist that I enjoyed the style of. The AI stuff flooded my searches and peeks into the new tab so badly I was just forced to use blocking because I could hardly find ANYTHING otherwise and that really REALLY sucked. I could not imagine how bad that would be for new users trying to experience and join the community.

TepTepgi

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ Threeinone

just go to e621 no ai there

Threeinone

1 month, 1 week ago

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@ TepTepgi

That does not solve the problem I brought up in my comment? I have most AI blocked, I'm more concerned about artist visibility and the new user experience on the site overall, I love Inkbunny and have been here from the start, I'd rather see it be better than just abandon ship.