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Meowmere

On Mental Health

Howdy

A few days ago, I was at the psychiatrist.

Given the test results and his general impressions talking to me, he was certain that Aspergers was the proper diagnosis (technically, this is simply called Autism Spectrum Disorder).

I was momentarily disappointed when this led to him saying "you certainly don't need medication". I was once more afraid that all my coping strategies had been so effective that he would not admit there was even a problem. Akin to someone learning to lean on a broken leg without flinching.

I agreed for the most part. My Aspergers is not something that needs to be "treated", it is simply my personality.
I have however had a myriad of debilitating symptoms, which many mental exercises have NOT helped keep in check.
My own humble "self-diagnosis" was as such:
1. Trouble concentrating (which is an aspect where ASD overlaps with ADD) - I have had to put a monumental effort into convincing myself to do basic tasks. And when I had to switch between different kinds of tasks, the effort required multiplied. This is "solved" by an equal amount of discipline and "just doing it anyway", except
2. The effort required causes exhaustion. In social situations, this is nigh instantaneous. Exhaustion causes stress, and the sudden inability to have any overview of a situation causes fear and frustration, which in turn causes
3. Anxiety and depression. Disorders in their own right, which one might try to treat directly.

Pull out the first step of this chain, I thought, the cascade collapses.
I've had the distinct sensation that "what was wrong with my brain" was its inability to get information from one end to the other. Which is essentially what ADD is, when you look it up. The Dopamine receptors are broken, and the medication for it specifically aims to refire them.

So I thought Ritalin was worth a shot.
The psychiatrist started by saying this wasn't something he could prescribe.
I suspect some layers of bureaucracy prevent him from prescribing it to someone who doesn't have ADD?
Well, for better or for worse, I managed to convince him, and apparently he could prescribe it after all...

I am currently on day two.
With some certainty I can say that it does indeed remove a lot of the effort required to make small trivial decisions. I just got up from my seat during my workshift and decided to cook an actual meal spontaneously. This isn't supposed to be impressive, but this is the sort of thing that I've consistently cut out of my daily routine, because I needed what little energy I had for important things.

The downside is I have headaches. But they are "good" headaches of sorts? As if the brain is stretching unused muscles, that have been lying dormant to the point of rotting. It was worse yesterday and better today.
Unless something dramatically worsens, I have good hopes this will improve my life significantly. I have a social engagement tomorrow, we'll see how that turns out.

Does this mean I have Aspergers *and* ADD? Who knows? The psychiatrist seemed to think that a prerequisite for an ADD diagnosis was that symptoms were present in the childhood (which they were decidedly not). Perhaps I have a secret third thing.

Anyway, if you've suffered like I have, consider presenting this story to a doctor as anecdotal evidence, which we all know that scientists love.
I hope you all stay safe. Cheers.

EDIT:
On further introspection, my tendency to shy away from social situations in my childhood and my desire to escape into my own inner worlds of imagination might be viewed as the progenitor to the ADD aspect. There is some wisdom to the concept of my "vast intelligence" and pattern recognition simply compensating, meaning that I was still able to do school work as needed, even though I didn't want to.
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mkjeller
1 month, 1 week ago
Hello!
As someone with AuDHD (Autism/AD(H)D) myself, I can certainly tell you that they are very often co-morbid.

Getting a diagnosis as an adult for Autism is pretty hard, and it's even harder to get an AD(H)D one.
Especially if you've ended up with learned masking/coping strategies over the years of just, living with it, unassisted.

Sometimes just knowing what it is can help, and I hope that the meds continue to help as well!

AD(H)D in particular can be debilitating.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
A lot of my negative symptoms were "masked" behind legitimate reasons to be stressed (which on the other hand also might have pushed the underlying conditions to a worse state).
I am decently intelligent, so for the longest time, I went through conversations simply "filling out" the empty spots by pattern recognition.
My own mother didn't believe I had trouble concentrating, because she - as a teacher - has an image of this "trouble" meaning rowdy students tossing objects through the classroom.

The "just knowing" part is hard, when getting through to a psychiatrist takes months, and even then, he seems to off-handedly dismiss ADD on the basis that you need to have had symptoms in your childhood.

I feel a tiny bit more "clarified" on the issue now, and hearing other testimonies certainly helps. Whether there is an "actual ADD diagnosis" involved does not actually matter if the medication helps.
mkjeller
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah, the medical profession is very slowly coming round to the idea that adults can have "Attention Disorders" without having presented (obviously) in childhood. Just depends on who you get.

The mental health lottery is a real thing, and that it sucks >.<

(Also, your psych is probably of the "last-gen" variety... as we certainly don't call it "Aspergers" anymore, at least not in the UK, or I think the US.)
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
I have a sneaking suspicion that the psychiatrist was simply stressed that day and didn't want to admit to having forgotten "ASD with ADD" was a thing, before surrendering to prescribing the medication.

I call it Aspergers in casual conversations, because it's the word most people know. Depending on how long I want the conversation to be, I'll venture into the semantic territory of "all people are on the autism spectrum, but you have to be so and so far down the line before calling it ASD".
mkjeller
1 month, 1 week ago
Yeah, getting into the weeds is pointless if people know what you're talking about.
All I meant is that in medical circles "Aspergers" is generally a disused term now (It's what my official diagnosis is because I got it back in the 90s). So hearing it still used by a psych is interesting.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
Probably he might also find it easier to get the point across quick and easy.
But also, he is probably 60 years old, so maybe he is indeed "old-timey"?
mkjeller
1 month, 1 week ago
The important thing is you're getting help and support now!
MSTR
1 month, 1 week ago
The rate of comorbidity between ASD and ADD/ADHD is high enough that some researchers are considering making it a single diagnosis. So...yeah.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
That was my understanding as well, but I started second-guessing, when the psychiatrist flat out outruled ADD on the basis that I have not had a single issue concentrating in my childhood.
The contrast between me tearing through books back then and now struggling to retain the information from a singular paragraph is staggering.
But well, doctors aren't always right. They tend to "set their ways" based some concrete pieces of knowledge, sometimes forgetting nuance. This one might not have gotten the memo about ADD appearing as an appendice to ASD.
MSTR
1 month, 1 week ago
Here's the thing:

I have bad ADHD. But I excelled in school. Why? Because I got good at compensating for it.

The ability to quickly absorb information meant I could zone out for 99% of my time in school, which I did. I read a lot of books. First secretly under the desk, then eventually on the desk in the open because my teachers had stopped bothering me about it, especially when they realized the books were in foreign languages at a level I definitely hadn't been taught yet. Because my grades were still good, nobody ever questioned this...they assumed I'd done the work sometime when they weren't watching, or that I had somehow focused when it appeared I hadn't.

This all broke down when I tried to go for higher education and I collapsed into a pile of depression, anxiety and failure for the best part of a decade until I finally got diagnosed, medicated and put on a path to recovery.

Does that sound familiar? It probably does, because that's how the ASD/ADHD combo platter presents more often than not.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
A lot of it is certainly right on money.
In my childhood, I could quite easily focus on deriving information from texts and sitting down to do math problems. I didn't much have the "errors of carelessness", or trouble hearing my name called out, which is apparently a thing the professionals are looking for. I was attentive in class for the most part.
But I did have a lot of internal daydreaming going on. Perhaps an underlying desire to be elsewhere. I didn't need to do a lot of homework at all to impress. Perhaps I was a bit disinterested after all?
It wasn't until my mid to late teens where I started losing my ability to care about schoolwork and I slowly started falling behind, where I had previously been able to coast on natural pattern recognition.
Once I moved out (which coincided with moving in with a girlfriend - now wife - who was quite "needy", which does not play well with ASD), my brain basically was unable keep up with the "everything" of being a responsible adult. My father died from cancer. I was diagnosed with depression and learned to cope.
Ten years later, my wife fell ill, which stressed me to the point of surrendering to another run at a psychatrist.

Maybe, if there had been no stress along the way, I would still be able to focus as I could when I was younger?
GratitudeAdvocate
1 month, 1 week ago
Citalopram nearly made me sterile, so I quit taking that anti-depressant and fixated on CBD/ganja as a go-to for my high social anxiety and severe depression. It may not be doing me any favors but I'd rather function correctly and desire eternal destruction than operate with broken machinery and feel at ease with the love and peace offered by a drug-induced universe.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
For the last ten years I've been "self-medicating" with microdoses of smoking THC.
It's made things bearable a lot of the time. But, I am not entirely sure it's the optimal road to go down for treating mental illness.
Generally, I'm of the opinion that marijuana is not harmful in moderation. But moderation is relative.
MystBunny
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm autistic and I've had ADD since childhood, but I.. HATE... ADD medication. Every one I've tried has killed my appetite and left me nauseous and more prone to motion sickness. Lately I've been taking kratom for other symptoms of my autism, particularly anxiety, but it seems to help with my ADD as well, as much if not more than the prescriptions I was given. You do have to be careful and do your research though. It's herbal, thus unregulated, and kinda pricey, and also addictive, and you have to manage your tolerance levels.

As for exhaustion after social situations, I've talked to my therapist about this, and what's happening is when you're in those situations, your body starts producing adrenaline. Then when that thins out, it produces ...I forget what he called it. The chemical that makes you tired. Called post-crisis drain. I've been asking around for a solution on mitigating this. I've not found one.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
I'll have to take note of that. If the current medication fails for whatever reason, it's nice to have alternatives.

About getting stressed out by social situations, I'm having high hopes that the problem can be solved by simply not getting stressed out, as opposed to medicating the stress after.
I could easily imagine social anxiety being a lot worse than mine, so of course this is easier said than done to many.
But to me, If I can simply react to social situations as I used to, I'll probably be fine.
MystBunny
1 month, 1 week ago
I'm currently taking beta blockers for my blood pressure, which I think stops the adrenaline from raising my heart rate too much, so I don't really FEEL stressed in social situations, but the adrenaline's still there, and I still get exhausted after.
baal666
1 month, 1 week ago
Hang in there I really hope the meds you were able to get keep proving to be effective either way I'm pulling for you
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
Starting on medication is always a strange undertaking. Things might still improve or worsen. I appreciate all the support I'm getting ;)
LemmyNiscuit
1 month, 1 week ago
With regard to the headaches, monitor your BP to make sure it's not elevating.
acetheeevee
1 month, 1 week ago
Fellow ASD adult here be careful with it but high amounts of caffeine can help with the attention thing but it can also induce an anxiety disorders and fuck up your blood pressure, it may be possible to find a psychiatrist that isn't a shitbag to prescribe you an amphetamine to treat it like adderal but those also carry significant risks
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
I've been drinking a lot of coffee, probably more than was healthy. It most certainly did not help my anxiety.

Out of curiosity, what would you say the difference between Adderall and Ritalin is? My understanding is that they do much the same thing chemically?
acetheeevee
1 month, 1 week ago
As far as I know it's just a lower risk stimulant, as for the caffeine tying I found that some vrands of energy drink as well as some kinds of tea produce less anxiety than coffee, not entirely sure what's available in your local area though
XPAuthor
1 month, 1 week ago
I didn't think they used Ritalin anymore. I was on that was a kid, and I thought it all got phased out for Adderall or whatever came after that. Hell, I got diagnosed before it was the cool thing to claim kids had, before they added the H to it. woo~

It is entirely possible to learn to live with ADD without medication. I know, because I've been doing just that since I was 17, so 23 years now. So literally more than half of my life has been spent without meds.

Anyway, the antisocial behavior is not always associated with ADD, or any mental condition. You could just be an introvert, which is fine. Not everything needs to have a medication. In fact, I'd highly recommend avoiding meds unless you absolutely have to have them to live and function at a "normal" level in private (whatever normal means for you). This is me speaking not only as someone who was on them, but also as a (retired) medical professional (admittedly, NOT a doctor, so grain of salt). But meds can fuck up your kidneys and liver, among other things. Just be careful of that and any other potential side effects. Mood swings are a big one... I had those as a kid before they got the dosage adjusted better.

Now, I'm not telling you don't. The choice is yours (and your doctor's) to make. But even if you do get medication, do not expect it to magically 'fix' everything. It won't. It will just help you to lessen and deal with the issues a little better, but they will always be there for the rest of your life. So even with medication, keep practicing your own ways of dealing with issues, recognize the problems and try to find some solutions in your daily life to deal with them. It is a process, a long one that will never quite end, but a worthy one to pursue.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
Well, what I'm taking not the brand Ritalin, but it is certainly methylphenidate.

Anyway, after a decade of "dealing with shit" on my lonesome raw brain chemistry, I can now definitely say I'm not "just an introvert" and I am finally willing to admit that I've been trying way harder than was necessary.

No one is expecting a pill to live my life for me. I still have to make hard decisions, I still have to pace myself entering stressful situations, so forth.
But I already feel with some certainty that this medication will give my brain "breathing room", allowing it recover.

Up until now
1. I became stressed when switching attention from one thing to another
2. I was incapable of focusing on one thing for long whiles at a time

This is exactly the terrifying vicious circle it sounds like. A regular day of trying to relax contains little to no relaxation, because my brain was constantly searching for "something else", then punishing my body with whiplash for not finishing anything.

As a start, yesterday, I read several chapters of a book without taking a break. At this pace, it's the exact right medicine. But we'll see.
XPAuthor
1 month, 1 week ago
As I said, it's all a personal thing. If it works, then I'm very happy that it works. And just for clarity, I need to say this for my own sake. I was not saying "Just try harder" or anything as infuriating as that. I may have my hypocritical moments, but that phrase and ones like it were the most enraging ones I heard as a kid. Hell, it still is to this day. I'm sure it didn't come across as that, but for my own sake I feel I needed to clarify that.

I truly do hope that this lets you get the focus that you seek.
Meowmere
1 month, 1 week ago
I didn't take it as such, don't worry. ;)
I'm crossing my fingers. It's too early to say for certain whether the medication is a good idea.
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