Inkbunny

Indeed, it's a corruption of medicine that is honestly unforgivable.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Regret for gender confirmation surgery is less than 1% (American Journal of Surgery, 2024) and the overwhelming cause of trans suicide is bigotry or their families disowning them for being trans.

So, you know, if you want to help stop the suicides, you can stop bagging on trans people. If you do actually want to help.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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No, it takes a great deal more than bigotry to make people kill themselves at such astronomically high rates. It's a consequence of how difficult it is to live with the condition itself. And no, we don't need to change all of society's conception of what sex and gender are because you can claim this will magically save lives. Sod all the young minds gender theory is ruining and meddling with though, eh, they don't matter. Pretending this is merely a matter of advocating that society doesn't abuse trans people is a lie, because I'd have absolutely no problems with all of this if that was the case.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So all the gay people who killed themselves because being gay was untenable even just a few decades ago, I guess they just... don't exist, then? Complete amnesia on that?

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2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Suicide rate for gays has never been anywhere close to that of trans people. I didn't say nobody takes their life over bigotry. Your claim is not substantiated. And our societies don't treat trans people like it used to treat gays, it's very accepting in general these days.

LongTom

2 weeks ago

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In Britain, homosexuality was actually illegal until the late 1960's. As far as I know, the same was never true of transgenderism. John Cleese in his autobiography "So, Anyway..." said he was very surprised when Graham Chapman came out as homosexual because he didn't follow the "gay" stereotype.

PacAttack57

1 week ago

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I've personally seen half a dozen detransitioners get absolutely BLASTED for daring to regret going through with the surgery. It is a HELL of a lot more than 1%.

RoareyRaccoon

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@ PacAttack57

Indeed, it's almost like there are people who care more about their beliefs being constantly affirmed than they do the suffering of others who have been actually harmed by those beliefs. And by harm I don't mean being offended XP.

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i whent threw a similar phase as a child! strongly felt like i would have been better if I was born a girl...but I realized it was Envy of the fact girls could like pretty things and be cute and seemed to have an easy time makeing friends! not Dysphoria. I never stoped feeling like a boy i just WANTED to be a girl, although thankfully breifly.

had I gone through the same thing today... I might be on a lot of drugs right now....wich would only serve to farther confuse me.

Im not opposed to people doing what thye feel they should to be happy in there own skin but it should not involve giveing the same drugs we used to chemically castrate people to children...never mind the fact that the drugs while "technicly reversable" DO have a measurable permanent effect on the recipients body... it's allmost like doseing kids with puburty blockers and hormones while there in the single most influential part of there bodies physical development based on "feelings" might be a bad idea....maybe...

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1 week, 6 days ago

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Got actual, *valid* evidence that trans suicide is becoming more prevalent? Because the research I've read shows that as gender approving therapy has become more common, the incidence of trans suicide has reduced. If you're going to claim that something is causing harm, have facts to back it up.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/
"Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment... There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
"The studies have identified a number of risk factors for the high rates of suicide and suicidal behavior among transgender persons. The discrimination of the transgender persons in the society has prevented them from obtaining an education, job, and housing because of which they are living in slums or street and have to resort to begging and sex work;[10] this pitiful conditions have lead them to breakdown further and end their life in suicide..."

Just a little lazy looking to get those two. Seems to me like increased acceptance and care reduce suicide risk, while non-acceptance and descrimination increase suicide risk. Makes sense to me.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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Giant review was recently published regarding gender-affirming care that is so damning it resulted in the NHS of UK rolling back a host of things introduced by this ideological nonsense.

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/fi...

Two of its many key findings:

While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.

The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.

ragarth

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Neither of your cited findings indicate that trans suicides are becoming more prevalent. Are you telling me that in a 388 page omnibus report on the topic you were unable to find anything supporting your claim?

If you're wrong about suicide prevalence when you stated it so factually earlier, then why should anything else you breathlessly stated as true be taken worth more than a grain of salt?

edit: Oh woops. You're not the person I responded to. NM. Your post was just a non-sequitour.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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Nah I was responding to your assertion that gender-affirming care was useful.

ragarth

1 week, 6 days ago

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Read the report, don't just digest what people tell you about it.

1.65 The strengths and weaknesses of the
evidence base on the care of children and
young people are often misrepresented and
overstated, both in scientific publications and
social debate. Systematically reviewing and
evaluating the evidence has been fundamental
to the Review’s approach.
1.66 Hearing directly from the children and
young people at the heart of this Review, their
parents/carers and the clinicians working in
and around services trying to support them,
has provided valuable insight into the ways
in which services are currently delivered and
experienced. This has contributed immeasurably
to the Review’s understanding of the positive
experiences of living as a transgender or gender
diverse person, as well the uncertainties,
complexities and difficulties faced.

And if you balk at reading a 388 page report, then don't cite it since you don't care enough to understand it.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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That which you underlined has nothing to do with gender affirming care, which is a very specific form of counseling. You can drop the intellectual act if you're having trouble with simple stuff.

ragarth

1 week, 6 days ago

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So your saying the second paragraph you quoted "strengths and weaknesses..." isn't pertinent to the discussion?? Because what I underlined was *an important part of what you cited*. Its not my fault you just trust a few bullet points instead of reading the citation in context.

Per the first thing you cited, I couldn't easily find it in the CASS report so its probably paraphrased. But given that you just negated the validity of your 2nd quote, why should I have faith in your first?

Look, these are real children with real lives. If you're just here to score points, get out of the discussion until you care more about the kids than the social war.

ragarth

1 week, 6 days ago

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Look. I'm gonna finish this up with my opinion of you from this short little interaction:

You're the one that brought up the CASS report. I'm the one that actually clicked the button to download the full report instead of just copy/pasting some talking points. It seems to me that if you actually cared about the kids involved instead of just the culture war, you'd want **information** instead of **talking points.**

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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Calm down, I've downloaded the thing as well, when it was published XP. The only reason I care about this issue at all is the kids, not just those who report issues with dysphoria but all the healthy children exposed to outright lies about gender, getting confused about it, being encouraged by adults that it's real, then going to a fucking clinician who affirms it. It's not like all this new rhetoric is the birth of treatment and counseling for trans people; there used to be more steps of protection involved before drugs and surgery was ever involved. Honestly you're incredibly stuck-up and your assumptions are dead wrong.

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Incidentally, my quotes were from the summary of key findings, not the document itself. I didn't expect you to read the full report and you certainly haven't, unless you read like fuckin' Johnny 5 from Short Circuit. Unless you think the summarized key findings of the report are lies about the reports' contents, shut up.

ShySketch

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Art that gets you cancelled is always going to be very important, because it is one of the most powerful forms of artwork. It is artwork with real life consequences beyond helping your friends coom (which is also important). I also believe that it provides the necessary "gallery spice" to keep the lewd from becoming sickly sweet, balancing the flavor profile.

I think it's important to point out that the conversation surrounding the "gender issue" would be completely different if there was actually some substance that could literally and truly change you into the opposite sex or even into your actual fursona. Instead, we are talking about plastic surgery, steroids, and new and experimental synthetic estrogen. Steroids at least have a longstanding medical history of use and we know what they do and what the risks are. Synthetic estrogen on the other hand is a new thing, and I've read on the NIH that it can cause bone-loss over time and lead to debilitating spinal issues in later life. The fact that these issues are not even allowed to be discussed without being banned on all mainstream social media is what exposes what the "gender issue" really is. It is the protection of the worldwide medical industry monopoly, at the expense of the patients, and even people who should not be "patients" at all, but are roped into it due to the environment they are raised in. Seemingly, the result of the treatment leads mostly to a life-long customer who will die or become ill if they stop taking the drugs. Even if they choose to detransistion, they will still need to take supplementary hormones if their body can no longer make hormones. The companies doing this are the same companies that had us on lockdown for 2 years for a disease that we would surely die of if we did not take every injection, and so dangerous that even I had to be fired to keep my co-workers safe (after having worked with them in-person for the entire 2-year lockdown).

Mods33

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@ ShySketch

I love how no one is trying to disagree with this. The difficult, not pretty truth. Maybe if this was the main thing people knew, people would scare themselves away from such an inconvenient identity. Not so magical and quirky after all?

ShySketch

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I don't think most people are doing it for attention. I believe it is primarily based in one of the major furry fetishes, called "transformation." TF is "taboo" in the sense that the "mainstream" media monopoly pretends it doesn't exist while simultaneously putting it in most of their toonz. I initially got into the furry fandom because of its overlap with the TF artwork. Almost all of the people I've known who transitioned were also into TF. I haven't seen this ever talked about anywhere, which is also odd. If they were given the option to be TF'd into their fursona, they would absolutely take that option over drugs and surgery and humanity.

I also think it's very important to point out that the primary result of the "gender transition" is the resulting sterilization of the patient. While eugenics itself has become taboo to speak about, it's only become more popular and legalized in the medical context. Eugenics has to operate through the proxies of "abortion" and "trans rights" to be considered politically palatable. In recent history, government run psychiatric hospitals were primarily places to torture and sterilize political dissidents both in the west and in the USSR. It was not until the public started to catch on that almost all of those places were shut down. Lobotomies were performed up through the 1960s, a lobotomy is the removal of the frontal cortex of the brain of a living person, which seems to remove most of their consciousness or soul.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So you're telling me that if a young cis boy developed gigantomastia– growing noticeably large breasts outside of normal weight gain, something that absolutely happens with regularity– you would not let him get a mastectomy? You'd just, force him to walk around school with breasts, expecting him to deal with the bullying that entails? It might not affect his health, but that seems pretty cruel to me.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Not really, no XP. That would be a surgery for non-ideological reasons XP. Don't quite know where you pulled that from, given what the image says.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Well wait, hold on now, what happened?? You said, and I quote,
"interfering with the bodies, identities and development of children, to satisfy ideological beliefs, is unjustifiable."
Who are you to say that those breasts aren't natural? They grew on his body naturally, after all. Cutting them out would be an optional surgery, something with potentially dangerous consequences, and he's only getting it to confirm his gender to others.
Seems pretty ideological to me???

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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You believe fat-related man-tits are unwanted because they contradict a gender norm? It's because they're hideous and embarrassing, not because of some psychobabble originating from a university. It doesn't involve medication that will sterilise him, the removal of his genitalia or secondary sex characteristics, or cosmetics meant to /change/ the appearance of his sex. Getting gigantomastia is something that happens to females, not males, the term you're looking for is gynaecomastia. I hope you don't mean to suggest that the development of this health condition actually makes a boy look female XP. Nice try, though.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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"Hideous and embarrassing" why though??
When breasts are big on women we love them, so what's the problem?

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Because a boy is not a woman XP. Your example to begin with was some imaginary guilt-trip involving me not allowing a boy to have gynaecomastia removed, which obviously means he wants it removed. So have we moved the goal-posts to a boy who likes them now? Yeah, that is exactly what you're doing and it's desperate XP.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So the same exact breasts are beautiful on a woman and hideous on a man. They are the same exact objects with the same health risks, but on one sex they are worth being mutilated to remove. Yes? Right? And what do we call that? When you're a man, but you have features like a woman, and it makes you miserable. What is that called? Some kind of... oh I don't know... Dysphoria?

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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They're not the exact same breasts at all, they don't look remotely like a woman's breasts, lol. So now we've moved again to something else, a documented mental illness, not a fat boy with man-tits. A boy. Not a man, a boy. Even girls don't have big breasts, women do. Obviously you're pissed at me but get over it, I don't care. I mean what point are you trying to even make, that all this ideological evil being pushed on kids is justified because 0.5% of people, most of whom age 16-24, experience dysphoria? That we should encourage kids to think they're the opposite sex trapped in the wrong body, that their own body is WRONG, if they aren't a walking gender stereotype? That gay people are actually trans? That kids can consent to procedures and drugs that change their entire life irreversibly, with a litany of absolutely horrible potential complications into the bargain, yet they can't be trusted to BUY A DRINK? No, I'm giving you enough credit to assume you aren't doing that, so drop the pedantic hypotheticals eh, it's boring.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So wait, you do admit that dysphoria does exist... but telling anybody about trans people's existence is evil. How does that work?

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I haven't said any such thing. Telling anybody about trans people's existence is evil? Come up with something even more disingenuous, make it interesting.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Wait, so what is the "evil ideology" then? If you don't care if we tell kids about trans people, and what makes them the way they are, then what is this picture even about???

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Try to be aware of the difference between informing kids at an appropriate age (teens) that trans people exist and telling them that they can be any gender they want, even ones they've invented themselves, and making this tiny niche shit into the most visible thing on the planet. This stuff is being pushed on healthy kids like it's an awesome trend, with lefty parents keen to tell everybody their kid is actually trans, like celebrities with 3 kids and each one of them is either gay or non-binary or trans etc. It is being sold as a solution to misery and any identity issues. That's to say nothing of adults joining the cult, like sexual perverts pretending to be trans so they can invade the bathrooms and changing rooms of the opposite sex, or wear fetish gear in public. That's the ideology, wielded like a truncheon, for deeply unethical people to impose their will on society, and we're all expected to tolerate all of it because a tiny proportion of the population is being used as a shield for political power.

No, no to all of it. Everybody already knows trans people exist, it takes a moment to say. Letting people know about a simple fact does not come with all this political baggage, does it? Cars exist, look at them going down the road. There, that was easy, wasn't it. But you're not talking about letting people know trans people exist, which is why I say you are disingenuous, pretending something massively impacting society is a mere enunciation of a basic truth. Unreal.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So it's okay to say to a child, "that's a trans person," but not to explain what a trans person is.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Done with you.

IBp

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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You're being pretty disingenuous every single time you have an "innocent question" and it's super obvious you've already made your conclusion so instead of fishing for gotchas you should just say what you think.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I'm not the one who can't defend his position in the face of very basic questions, lol

IBp

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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They're irrelevant to what he's saying.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I think you'll find that they're extremely relevant and he's contradicted himself several times when I tried to get him to explain himself! First Gender Confirmation is mutilation, then it isn't, then gender dysphoria is ideological, then it isn't, then trans ideology is evil, then it isn't, and now I'm supposed to believe that you can say someone is trans to a kid without explaining what that means. All caught up? Great!

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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No, you asserting that I'm claiming something I never claimed isn't me contradicting myself, it's YOU making nonsense claims, rofl. Bye.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I have obliterated your every comment, that's why you need to keep asking something new. That's what defending a position looks like. As I've shown multiple times, all you do is shift the goalposts to ask something else. You don't even have a position that you're defending, so don't try that nonsense. Seriously twisted, manipulative, gaslighting behaviour.

Norithics

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Oh we're talking again! Great! So please answer my last question! How do you not explain what a trans person is when introducing the concept to a child?

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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This is the last of your inane questions I'll answer. Explaining what a trans person is does not involve all the political baggage I previously described, which you never addressed, because you're being a gigantic arsehole. It takes a few minutes to describe what a trans person is, not turning society into clown world. There. Now fuck off.

Superelectric

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Hey, you mispelled "failed to answer" as "obliterated." Rather unusual spelling mistake but there's a first time for everything.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks ago

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@ Superelectric

I don't know why you are gleeful about being a blatant liar; it's something I'd feel very ashamed of, were I to do it. Very odd.

ShySketch

2 weeks ago

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That would create the potential for an entirely subsidized "medical industry" that would financially profit off a poisoned water supply. Heated plastics (water bottles left in the sun) leech estrogen analogs. Soybeans (which were used as food filler since the Chinese boycott on American soybeans as a filler protein) as well as peanuts also contain natural analogs to estrogen that function similar to estrogen when ingested.

I don't think we should make an industry around treating the symptoms instead of solving the problem, regarding your example.

TeaPartyRabbit

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I'd say there are at least two more besides the male and female. Two other sex situations that exist at birth are both sexes, and neither sex.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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Not true, since what you describe are not distinct sexes at all.Two gametes are required to form a fertilised zygote, so there are two sexes, each sex producing one of them. Anything else is a genetic aberration, they don't have anything unique to them that isn't found in either of the other two sexes.The second example is especially silly, since being neither sex means literally not being a sex.

TeaPartyRabbit

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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What I described are the possible outcomes at the time of birth, and all four situations occur with the two aberrations not being able to reproduce.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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They're not sexes.

IBp

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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I'd think those are more developmental issues than new sexes, considering they are possibilities only defined by having features of BOTH sexes, or NO sexes.
They're the outliers that prove the rule, because they're defined relatively around the two sexes.

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2 weeks ago

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I agree the male and female are the intended two sexes. However, mathematically there are four. Not saying the both and neither are the desired outcome. The former two happen and do have to be addressed as part of the birth process. I wrote this in context to the exponential increase of genders.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks ago

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There are two. Mathematically two. You cannot add more sexes to the category of sex when they aren't sexes. That's like saying you have two apples and you add two oranges, so now you have 4 apples. It's nonsense.

LongTom

2 weeks ago

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Earthworms and slugs are natural hermaphrodites.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks ago

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We aren't earthworms or slugs.

LongTom

2 weeks ago

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I don't know if genuinely hermaphroditic humans exist or not (though out of billions of people, it is certainly a possibility, however remote). And yes, there are natural "sex changes", such as a clownfish metamorphizing from male to female if one female ends up lost. But I guess people end up having genital surgery because nobody knows how to do the brain surgery.

TeaPartyRabbit

1 week, 6 days ago

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The nonsense is saying apples and oranges have the same genetic line when my example does.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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I think you're having trouble understanding a simple metaphor. You can't count things that are not sexes as sexes. You can't count things that aren't apples as apples. Do you get it yet?

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2 weeks, 1 day ago

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It seems impressive of satire art you made in 2017 and now. I honesty think public school should be ashamed of teaching 24 genders and psychotic traitism.
They should be a unicorn satire of saying Math is your friend and accountability too.
Unicorn teaching calculus and physics is what school should teach about instead of marxist nonsense.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Simic

Indeed, even sex education isn't needed, given that STD's and teenage pregnancy shot up after it was introduced into schools.

KevinSnowpaw

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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god damn i hated math in school DX had to do it anyway wouldn't it be great if I could opt out of a facet of reality? Im told math is somehow racist now so maybe I was just born to early.

Simic

2 weeks ago

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Math in school is simple than taking a physics or engineering degree. It more detail oriented and abstract

LongTom

2 weeks ago

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@ Simic

Math is an everyday necessity to survive in society. As for sex education, it is needed, if nothing else because some people aren't taught it at home.

Simic

2 weeks ago

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@ LongTom

Accounting use algebra math level and useful in tracks of money stuff.

Superelectric

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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So it's been seven years and you're still pointlessly mad about trans people? Seems like a great use of such big chunk of your life, bro.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Superelectric

Not at all, I'm completely indifferent to trans people XP.

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2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Superelectric

I think the point behind the political cartoon is he is not so pointlessly mad about politicaly motivated gender ideology THEORY being presented to very young children in such a way as to imply that an endless rainbow of rotateing gender ideologies is both normal and something they should be concerned about...you know..before they even know the basic differences between male and female let alone the social construct of gender spectrums and norms.

there is no reason to normalize these concepts for CHILDREN DX I believe that's the point he is trying to make, except as an attempt to abuse adults positions of authority and the trusting natures of those same children to push through ideological beliefs.

Lets focus on basic education in public school and if Timmy wants to chop of his dick and become barbera later in life thats an entirely different matter.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks ago

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Bollocks shouldn't be normalized in general, it's bollocks, but when it's pushed onto children it's outright evil XP.

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Personally, I just find the whole idea of trans stuff confusing to the point that I nominally withhold my opinion of it for lack of understanding the mentality involved in wanting to get gender reassignment surgery... Though by that same token, I don't think the surgery should be offered to people who can't legally have the same things being adjusted to ''conform'' to their thoughts on gender identity...

I say this having had a transgender mate, by the way xP Nothing against them, but the ideas involved just confuse me.

Put another way, I suppose if someone wants to change their bodies through expensive, irrevocable surgery, then they should be free to do so only after they become an adult (I am aware that the surgeries are easier and more successful at lower ages. I'm not against the pills and such that help prolong that, save for the various health issues they bring)

KevinSnowpaw

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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@ Munkers

careful!

holding the belief that if your to young to fuck, gamble, die for your country, sign a legal contract or own land means your to young to make the exceedingly life altering choice to begin a gender transition is a horribly dangerous thing to believe in!

if your interested to pushing your specific social ideology on everybody else as young as possible at least.

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Eh, more that I don't think the full process (once it becomes irrevocable) should be available when you're just 10... Fifteen is still a bit early, but by then you have a better idea of who ''you'' are.

Eighteen (or 21 as it seems to be moving towards in the states tbh) is a bit of an arbitrary point to mark for this as ''old enough''

And yeah, it confuses the hell out of me just how/what I believe in on this too, so I can't really say I should push my own ''absolutes'' on anyone xP

KevinSnowpaw

2 weeks, 1 day ago

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i agree for the most part but the goal post to be safe is 18 on all that other shit XD should be a minimum of that for this too IMO.

Munkers

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I think fifteen should nominally be a fine point for most things, though not all...
Tobacco and harder stuff I'm fine with being for 18-21, while fornication and such happens all the time despite the age limits anyway. But that's a big snowball I am NOT gonna delve into xP Short version? Kids will be kids, and so long as they aren't hurting themselves or others then why the fuss?

Biggest view of it all summed up there. Irrevocable decisions should only be made when those same decisions are able to be understood.

GhostInTheShell

2 weeks ago

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Based and Unicorn Pilled

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ GhostInTheShell

FoxyDean

2 weeks ago

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Oh wow. "All the actual experts who study this shit say I'm wrong, but clearly there's a multinational, multi-discipline conspiracy between them and I, some rando fuckwad on the internet, am correct." You are hilarious, and going to look as absolutely unhinged as those dumbasses who were protesting against desegregation in a few decades.

RoareyRaccoon

2 weeks ago

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@ FoxyDean

Experts in what? XP

moyomongoose

2 weeks ago

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https://youtu.be/iCebUg47TEU?t=100

Scrimbleshanks

1 week, 6 days ago

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Naw.

Sheepcon

1 week, 6 days ago

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why are you dumb?

SophisticatedFox

1 week, 6 days ago

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lmao so you didn't learn the first time and just decided to continue?

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ SophisticatedFox

The opposite, I learned plenty, and with every passing day I'm all the more vindicated as the public takes notice of this unconscionable nonsense. I know that it bothers you, but you'll survive XP.

IBp

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ SophisticatedFox

"So you didn't learn the first time"

When you're so obviously correct you need to intimidate people into compliance. Lmao.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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Well he's very sophisticated, after all XP.

MaxDeGroot

1 week, 6 days ago

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You are astoundingly calm in all this, Roarey. Who are you and what have you done with the REAL Roarey?

:D :D :D

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ MaxDeGroot

Two reasons: first, I don't have that sort of energy anymore, I've been through hell and it has kicked my arse. Second, if I don't control my temper I'll be censored. The latter is now easier thanks to the former.

IBp

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ MaxDeGroot

Inkbunny policy is the r-word.

"Really really good" is what I mean obviously.

chunkychip

1 week, 6 days ago

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I have 0 idea what this even means LMFAOO

chunkychip

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ chunkychip

Oh wait nvm this is an anti-trans post....

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ chunkychip

Nah, it's an anti-lying to children and ruining their lives post. I don't have anything against trans people. It's okay if you don't understand what it means, there is plenty of porn on here for you.

chunkychip

1 week, 6 days ago

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To be particularly honest I don't understand what you mean about "lying to children and ruining their lives". Because gender identity quiet literally has 0 effect on the lives of children whatsoever.

What I do know for certain is this: In my expirience, anybody who
1: Believes any discussion in regards to gender identity is "an agende" or "a threat against children" (which in of itself is used against trans people all of the time and is the sole reason behind every single anti-trans law, so please don't pretend otherwise),
2: has any sort of public disdain against "leftism" / progressively beliefs,
and 3: spreads ignorant and outdated beliefs in regards to gender identity / biological sex (which is that, neither are binary, for the simple fact that intersex individuals exist and very much do not consider themselves strictly biologically male or female)....

Probably has issues against trans people, even if not personally than ideologically. Quiet frankly I don't care if you dislike trans people or what they stand for, so there is 0 reason to be passive agressive towards me. But I have lived life as a minority long enough to know most people with issues against certain demographics either aren't aware of it, or know it isn't socially acceptable to admit to it. So your "I do not have issues against trans people" claim means nothing as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not here to go back and forth because IDC.... your view is yours and my view is mine, I'm here for the porn not for the politics. But im just here to take it how I see it. "People are lying to you about gender identity, they are targeting children with their gender agenda!! They're probably teaching 500 genders in kindergarten!!!" Has been used by blantant anti-trans groups for at least a literal decade now. 💀💀💀

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 5 days ago

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@ chunkychip

It is easy to make the claim that what is happening in and to society as a result of gender theory isn't happening at all, but that claim is entirely false. Its impact on society is demonstrated every day in the news, so gaslighting people that none of this is even happening is absolutely sick. Seriously, what you've just done there is really evil.

MrZero

1 week, 6 days ago

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It's nice to see this. The only times gender is mentioned online is by the few people who are mass spamming about fanfictional gender abilities.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 6 days ago

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@ MrZero

You're very welcome XP.

OiledDog

1 week, 5 days ago

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I completely agree with this, I just don't get how you can be so correct on this issue but still be gay. Every one of these bullet points counts for homosexuality too. Neither one is natural, neither one should be exposed to children, none of these various "identities" should be tolerated in a healthy society.

RoareyRaccoon

1 week, 4 days ago

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@ OiledDog

Quite simple really, homosexuality is naturally-occurring, in that it isn't artificially induced; it's just not normal/the norm.Individuals being gay or trans is tolerated justly because individual lives are respected, there's no reason why they shouldn't be. My objection in this submission is not to trans people at all, but to the imposition on society of nonsense rhetoric, lies, that are specifically meant to alter what society considers to be normal. The original gay rights movement was about gay people joining societies as members of it like anyone else, it was only after this was achieved that socialists have kept it alive to use as a vehicle to impose their political will on culture. Pretending there is a gay community, that said community is oppressed and therefore deserves empathy, using that empathy to get away with saying and doing outrageously impolite and disgraceful things etc.

None of the bullet-points counts for homosexuality at all, but you could very reasonably make the argument that the gay rights movement in the west is pumping out evil rubbish just as much as gender theory is.

LongTom

1 week, 4 days ago

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